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    Re: Tentative agreement reached on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Why would he ask for something that knows isn't going to work?

    He already looks like a dumbass, because of his past stimuli. I think he's too smart to make himself look like an even bigger dumbass, by flushing more tax dollars down the toilet.

    I'm sure he feels lucky that he got the unemployment extension and rightfully so.
    It's not like he had a weak hand to play here. He could have credibly threatened to veto the whole damn thing if the Republicans didn't work with him. But he decided to completely capitulate, with just a token concession to make it look like a compromise. Unfortunately it appears that he's more interested in compromise for the sake of compromise than he is in good governance, kickstarting the economy, paying down the deficit, or even winning the PR battle. The Republicans have no such illusions.

    P.S. You are aware that your signature quote (and the Dr. Laura book from whence it came) is a work of political humor, right?
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    Re: Tentative agreement reached on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It's not like he had a weak hand to play here. He could have credibly threatened to veto the whole damn thing if the Republicans didn't work with him. But he decided to completely capitulate, with just a token concession to make it look like a compromise.
    Like I said, he's too smart to make himself look like an even bigger dumbass, than he already does.

    How would Obama explain to the American people that he raised their taxes, all because he has a giant hard-on for rich folks?

    Unfortunately it appears that he's more interested in compromise for the sake of compromise than he is in good governance, kickstarting the economy, paying down the deficit, or even winning the PR battle. The Republicans have no such illusions.
    If he were interested in good governance, kickstarting the economy, paying down the deficit, or even winning the PR battle, he wouldn't be pushing an agenda that is totally counterproductive to what's best for the country. Obama has done more to hamper all of the above, than he has to help.


    P.S. You are aware that your signature quote (and the Dr. Laura book from whence it came) is a work of political humor, right?

    Of course it's humor. The Obama admin is a ****ing joke.
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    Re: Tentative agreement reached on tax cuts

    Eh...

    I'm more or less sold on extending the tax cuts for those earning under $250,000 (note that those above this level still pay low takes on everything up to this), but I'm on the fence as to the tax cuts for income above this.

    I'm okay with the government running a deficit in a recession, but only if they pay it back later, which I'm doubtful they will, they'll probably just chuck it onto the national debt and leave it there. Debt reduction should be #2 on the agenda, right after getting us out of the recession. It costs too much over the long term, and is basically giving money to China when that money could be better spent here.

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    Re: Tentative agreement reached on tax cuts

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    How would Obama explain to the American people that he raised their taxes, all because he has a giant hard-on for rich folks?
    Not the proper question at all. it should have been

    How will the national Republican Party explain to the American people that they caused their taxes to be raised because they kiss the fat behinds of the rich?

    The Dems could have run on that for a generation and won. But Obama threw away the trump card.
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    Re: Tentative agreement reached on tax cuts

    Holy crap, this looks like a Republican "compromise".

    By that I mean "We'll compromise by giving you what you want, just less of it". We'll give you tax cuts, just for less time then you'd like.

    This is the type of compromises that always annoy me with republicans. We'll give you minimum wage, just less. We'll give you welfare, just less. We'll give you spending, just left. We'll give you healthcare, just less. Kind of nice to see that kind of "compromise" happening on the opposite side for once.

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    Re: Tentative agreement reached on tax cuts

    I'm not surprised at the outcome, nor do I dislike any of the items that passed.

    Two more years. That will put us at December 2012, after the presidential election. Obama is campaigning early it seems.

    Another benefit of the tax extensions is it will produce more hiring. GOP businesses that laid people off and made the rest work twice as hard know that they didn't do themselves much good. Of course they would like to stick it out and not hire again until there is a Republican president, but the extended tax breaks might make it tempting to accelerate their business at this point in time (they can claim that it was a GOP move, even though their new guys haven't been seated yet, LOL).

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    Re: Tentative agreement reached on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Holy crap, this looks like a Republican "compromise".

    By that I mean "We'll compromise by giving you what you want, just less of it". We'll give you tax cuts, just for less time then you'd like.

    This is the type of compromises that always annoy me with republicans. We'll give you minimum wage, just less. We'll give you welfare, just less. We'll give you spending, just left. We'll give you healthcare, just less. Kind of nice to see that kind of "compromise" happening on the opposite side for once.
    Well... as I recall a majority of Republicans voted against the Minimum Wage Act of 2007, and all Republicans voted against the healthcare bill (a fair decision in my opinion, if made for the wrong reasons).

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    Re: Tentative agreement reached on tax cuts

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    You really don't get it do you? Or maybe you don't want to get it?

    I DO NOT WANT VIOLENCE. I was hoping the battle between fascist corporatism and the rest of the people could be avoided and Obama would be the one to do that. But the events today tell me that we have just taken another step towards an inevitable showdown that could be very messy for everyone.

    And people today - people like you Turtle - people who wallow in their own wealth and their own privilege and who attempt to have the rest of us serve you in a condition little better than serfdom, only make this more possible through their toadies in the Republican party and through the spread of the disease of libertarian thought and ideology.

    Understand me - I hope it never comes to that because it will be a terrible thing to witness. It makes me sad to admit that we have taken a step closer to this today.
    It doesn't make sense to raise anyone's taxes during this horrendous recession. Period. If you want to know why there's class warfare in this country, simply look at our entitlement programs. They are repressing the poor just as surely as slavery did. As to some kind of Armageddon, fuggitaboutit.
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    Re: Tentative agreement reached on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Holy crap, this looks like a Republican "compromise".

    By that I mean "We'll compromise by giving you what you want, just less of it". We'll give you tax cuts, just for less time then you'd like.

    This is the type of compromises that always annoy me with republicans. We'll give you minimum wage, just less. We'll give you welfare, just less. We'll give you spending, just left. We'll give you healthcare, just less. Kind of nice to see that kind of "compromise" happening on the opposite side for once.
    I think you are confused about what a compromise is. Don't feel bad, republicans have had that confusion for awhile. Compromise is not staking out the most extreme position and refusing to vote for anything less than it(crying "core values" about everything does not make it true), and then complaining about a lack of bipartisanship(see stimulus, health care), it involves each side actually giving something. This is the first time in 2 years I have seen republicans actually compromise.
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    Re: Tentative agreement reached on tax cuts

    well, mcconnell/boehner hardly gave up much

    a 13 month extension of UE's, which anyone with a heart (or a nose for politics) can get behind

    in return, we got pretty much all we wanted from the president's surrender

    the bush cuts, all of em

    our version of the death tax, verbatim

    and a 2% reduction in payroll taxes, an open handed gift from obama, himself, which we didn't even ask for

    hey, why compromise when you can get pretty much all you want without, y'know, caving?

    seeya at the polls

    the electoral chess board is newly configured---look for this issue to be central in 2012

    my side will campaign, as always, on tax cuts for all americans

    obama will advocate for taxing the rich

    but who will believe him?

    congrats, obama/mcconnell/boehner

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