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    Re: Tentative agreement reached on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Animus View Post
    Stop making fallacious arguments.

    The fact is we just added 7 billion to our deficit by giving money to those who don't need it. Good work America.
    I am waiting for you to prove people don't need the money that is taken from them and the government "needs" it more

    you have a computer and some people don't even have electricity

    if your family has more than one car you don't need it if someone is walking?

    if you have a college degree you have more education t han you "need" if someone else didn't make it through highschool

    Guess what--need has no relevance to what we can own. We can have what we can pay for and someone like you has no relevance to what I want or need.



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    Re: Tentative agreement reached on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I suspect you like your sources to simply agree with either your ideology or your own biases and damn their credentials or expertise.
    How about sources that are legitimate in the sense that the source has some provable knowledge about the subject, rather than Wiki or answers.com, where any Joe the Moron can write about nuclear physics?

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    Re: Tentative agreement reached on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    That's the way I understood the prelude and beginning of the Civil War. So I checked my memory and low and behold, Ocean City seems to be misinformed.
    If you think that Southerners didn't have better shooting and hunting skills than Northerners, and that the Southerners thought this would turn the Civil War in their favor, then you really need to go take a Civil War history class. I have a degree in American History and that is such common knowledge I will not even waste my time to find you a link showing that Southerners in the Antebellum south were competent shooters and hunters.

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    Re: Tentative agreement reached on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Animus View Post
    Stop making fallacious arguments.

    The fact is we just added 7 billion to our deficit by giving money to those who don't need it. Good work America.
    So, if someone makes X, and is allowed to keep the same amount of that (after taxes) after this extension, that they are allowed to keep today, that's giving them money? Really? It's not money they actually earned? It's a gift from the government?

    What an odd concept.

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    Re: Tentative agreement reached on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean City View Post
    If you think that Southerners didn't have better shooting and hunting skills than Northerners, and that the Southerners thought this would turn the Civil War in their favor, then you really need to go take a Civil War history class. I have a degree in American History and that is such common knowledge I will not even waste my time to find you a link showing that Southerners in the Antebellum south were competent shooters and hunters.
    can you prove your claims?



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    Re: Tentative agreement reached on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    So, if someone makes X, and is allowed to keep the same amount of that (after taxes) after this extension, that they are allowed to keep today, that's giving them money? Really? It's not money they actually earned? It's a gift from the government?

    What an odd concept.
    people like Animus believe that all wealth belongs to the government so a welfare check, an unemployment benefits payment (long after the "insurance has run out) is the same as a tax cut



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    Re: Tentative agreement reached on tax cuts

    @ Turtle Dude

    Your post was contradictory. You first supported my point by saying that...

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    The north was better nourished and didn't have the deleterious issue of massive hookwork infestations that plagued the southernn volunteers. The north also had far more facilities to manufacture munitions and weapons--the south was mainly importing stuff which was diminished through Union Naval blockades.
    These types of factors, which I originally was pointing out, are what wins wars, not individual shooting skills. So you backed up my statement with that information but then you immediately contradict yourself and say...

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    having been on the US shooting team and a three time all-american and then general counsel for gun clubs, gun dealers and a couple Title II manufacturers (machine guns) I can tell you that I haven't run into many socialists, communists, liberal democrats or Obamatards in my travels around the USA competing or meeting with gun makers and world class shooters.
    As we have already pointed out together, this doesn't win wars. Manufacturing, GDP, transportation, technology, etc. wins wars. Wars today are won with planes, tanks, mortars, Navies and assault rifles. Since you are so well versed in weapons, you obviously know that the assault rifle was invented precisely because it was realized that most kills on the battle field are made in short range with small burst. Snipers, rifles and long range shooting skills have become increasingly obsolete on the battle field in the last half century and even more so in the last 20 years which is why we have seen the introduction such carbines as the M4.
    Last edited by Ocean City; 12-08-10 at 09:46 PM.

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    Re: Tentative agreement reached on tax cuts

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    can you prove your claims?
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    Re: Tentative agreement reached on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean City View Post
    @ Turtle Dude

    Your post was contradictory. You first supported my point by saying that...



    These types of factors, which I originally was pointing out, are what wins wars, not individual shooting skills. So you backed up my statement with that information but then you immediately contradict yourself and say...



    As we have already pointed out together, this doesn't win wars. Manufacturing, GDP, transportation, technology, etc. wins wars. Wars today are won with planes, tanks, mortars, Navies and assault rifles. Since you are so well versed in weapons, you obviously know that the assault rifle was invented precisely because it was realized that most kills on the battle field are made in short range with small burst. Snipers, rifles and long range shooting skills have become increasingly obsolete on the battle field in the last half century and even more so in the last 20 years which is why we have seen the introduction such carbines as the M4.
    you missed the point-you obviously know little about this subject

    all things else being equal marksmanship will carry the day. our men in the Pacific were far better shots than the Japanese who were not able to own personal weapons. Alvin York and Carlos Hathcock were both men with illustrious shooting credentials before going to war and those two killed or incapacitated over 200 enemy between them. But in protracted WARFARE (vs assassinations of say despotic politicians or putting down a street riot of left wing rabble) where the combatants are marching 20 miles a day for years, that nutrition means alot.

    Snipers are still as important as they were in WWII. that is why M14 rifles are being brought out of mothballs. and while it is true, in a WAR, full auto fire is designed to suppress MOVEMENT so that artillery or air strikes may take out the opposition we are talking about a bunch of rebelling libs trying to take wealth from the industrious.

    people like you aren't going to last long in gunfights with people like me



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    Re: Tentative agreement reached on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean City View Post
    Talk about much ado about nothing. Ocean was equating the macho chest beating boasting of Turtle with the idea that outnumbered people believe they have better fighting skills and can still win. That is the way I took it. I provided another persons opinion stating much the same thing. Now some here want to turn this into a academic exercise about Civil War experts. Gimme a break and get real already.

    even now he still has to take out a yardstick to pretend how much macho man he is

    the people who are on my side of your revolution will beat your side. why? because we have enough people and we are far far better trained in what counts.

    a bunch of SEIU thugs, lesbian activists, and college professors are gonna last along time against guys who shoot competitively and spend their free time stalking deer and shooting coyotes?
    You boys can keep your popguns and go back into the lodge and show what you have to kill each other with. This is way way way something I have no interest in at all.
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