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    Re: Tentative agreement reached on tax cuts

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    Re: Tentative agreement reached on tax cuts

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    Obama lashed out at Democrats today, and had the nerve to compare this "compromise" to giving up the public-option in the health care bill. Let me explain the difference: It's one thing to give up an important concession if it leads to a positive result (e.g. a solid health care bill) with enough votes to pass. I fully supported that. It's another thing to concede everything the other side wants, without getting anything substantial in exchange.

    There is no reason that Obama needed to be so weak on this issue. He was in a stronger position than the Republicans politically (Democrats control half of Congress and the White House...and until January, ALL of Congress and the White House). He was in a stronger position than the Republicans structurally (the bill was going to expire in the absence of action, which would have been less acceptable to the Republicans than the Democrats). And he was even on the side of public opinion (the majority of voters didn't want to see tax cuts for the rich extended).

    I can only draw two conclusions: A) Obama is incompetent and doesn't know how to negotiate, or B) he actually agrees with the Republicans about tax cuts for the rich. I'm not sure which conclusion pisses me off more.
    Or, C) he knows he's going to get his ass spanked in 2012. He's trying to make it a slim victory for his opponent, rather than a politically embarressing blood letting. Or, D) he's just hoping to actually be the Democratic paty's candidate for 2012...
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    Re: Tentative agreement reached on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    a flat tax wouldn't change that either.
    All you need to know about the flat tax is who is trying to push it down the throats of the rest of us. Once you see who gains the most from it, it tells you all you need to know.

    btw - that would be the wealthy.
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    Re: Tentative agreement reached on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    All you need to know about the flat tax is who is trying to push it down the throats of the rest of us. Once you see who gains the most from it, it tells you all you need to know.

    btw - that would be the wealthy.
    God forbid taxes be fair.

    It's a lot easier to hate rich people for their hard work, intellect, and success.

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    Re: Tentative agreement reached on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    God forbid taxes be fair.

    It's a lot easier to hate rich people for their hard work, intellect, and success.
    And somehow, someway I bet you have a definition of FAIR that just happens to coincidently benefit the rich also?
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    Re: Tentative agreement reached on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And somehow, someway I bet you have a definition of FAIR that just happens to coincidently benefit the rich also?


    FAIR assumes fair for everyone. By definition, FAIR is inclusive, meaning it applies to all including the rich. Why wouldn't it? If it was "FAIR" for everyone but the rich, it can't really be called "FAIR" now could it....


    Dunno what your deal is with rich people but you should talk to a professional about it.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Tentative agreement reached on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post


    FAIR assumes fair for everyone. By definition, FAIR is inclusive, meaning it applies to all including the rich. Why wouldn't it? If it was "FAIR" for everyone but the rich, it can't really be called "FAIR" now could it....


    Dunno what your deal is with rich people but you should talk to a professional about it.
    I suspect your definition is THE SAME and intentionally and deliberately ignores ability to pay and what it takes to live in this nation.
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    Re: Tentative agreement reached on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I suspect your definition is THE SAME and intentionally and deliberately ignores ability to pay and what it takes to live in this nation.
    Where it takes to live WHERE in this nation exactly? You see, generalizing the entire nation and the cost of living as the same isn't very honest or accurate.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Tentative agreement reached on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Where it takes to live WHERE in this nation exactly? You see, generalizing the entire nation and the cost of living as the same isn't very honest or accurate.
    Really? The people who know more about this than you and I and do it for a living manage quite nicely to take those things into consideration when they evaluate cost of living. Which is probably good that you do not have that job.
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    Re: Tentative agreement reached on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    All you need to know about the flat tax is who is trying to push it down the throats of the rest of us. Once you see who gains the most from it, it tells you all you need to know.

    btw - that would be the wealthy.
    All yo uneed to know about the progressive tax is who is trying to push it down the throats of the rest of us. Once you see who gains the most from it, it tells you all you need to know.

    btw - that would be the poor.

    Wow Haymarket! What amazing logic there. Who would've EVER guessed that people would push for something that benefits them more, that's astounding insight. You mean the "Wealthy" would rather a tax system that treated them like everyone else than one that was overly punative agaisnt them. And wow, the Poor would rather not have a system where they don't have to contribute at all, can get a bunch of free stuff, and can continually just demand other people give up more and more of their money?

    Yes, a flat tax would benefit the wealthy more than the current tax, which benefits the poor better. That's not an argument in and of itself as to whether it would be better or not. I know this may shock your sensabilities, but wealthy != evil.

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