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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually I was referring to most of the political changes and reforms of the last 110 years that started with the Progressive Era of T. Roosevelt. But I think you knew that.

    1) the massive expansion of the federal government under the New Deal and Great Society and the increase of the income tax from 6% to 90% at some times

    2) the idiotic war on drugs based on an unconstitutional expansion of the commerce clause

    3) federal meddling into education, affirmative action, and other idiocy that has watered down our educational system

    4) massive income redistribution programs designed to make people dependent on the federal government and one party in particular.

    you call those things progress and reforms. I call them a cancer that is ruining this country



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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    1) the massive expansion of the federal government under the New Deal and Great Society and the increase of the income tax from 6% to 90% at some times

    2) the idiotic war on drugs based on an unconstitutional expansion of the commerce clause

    3) federal meddling into education, affirmative action, and other idiocy that has watered down our educational system

    4) massive income redistribution programs designed to make people dependent on the federal government and one party in particular.

    you call those things progress and reforms. I call them a cancer that is ruining this country
    on 1- obviously we disagree and much as two people could on that issue

    on 2- I am not familiar with this 'war on drugs". What war? I know of no actual war on drugs.

    on 3- I wish the feds would stop meddling in education and simply adopt a national system like the Japanese and nearly every other nation has that people here constantly cry about beating our kids in standardized tests

    on 4 - if income is being redistributed its the rich who are getting richer - yeah - I can get behind efforts to stop that.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    on 1- obviously we disagree and much as two people could on that issue

    on 2- I am not familiar with this 'war on drugs". What war? I know of no actual war on drugs.

    on 3- I wish the feds would stop meddling in education and simply adopt a national system like the Japanese and nearly every other nation has that people here constantly cry about beating our kids in standardized tests

    on 4 - if income is being redistributed its the rich who are getting richer - yeah - I can get behind efforts to stop that.

    1) true-you want a welfare-socialist society-I do not. You also do not have any use for the boundaries established by the founders on the federal government, I do

    2) I am amazed that you are unaware of this term that is used in the news constantly

    3) Education at the primary and secondary level is a state matter pure and simple

    4) The rich making money is not income redistribution. The trillions the government has given to the "poor" and middle class is AND ALL IT HAS DONE is to create millions of dependent addicts



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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    1) true-you want a welfare-socialist society-I do not. You also do not have any use for the boundaries established by the founders on the federal government, I do

    2) I am amazed that you are unaware of this term that is used in the news constantly

    3) Education at the primary and secondary level is a state matter pure and simple

    4) The rich making money is not income redistribution. The trillions the government has given to the "poor" and middle class is AND ALL IT HAS DONE is to create millions of dependent addicts
    1- actually I do not want one person on welfare. I would want a society where all can make a contribution and support themselves. As to the boundaries of the federal government, I have no problem with them but do not treat America today as if it is America of 1787.
    2- I am being a smart ass on this topic. When I think of WAR I think of WW2. A complete all out balls-to-the-walls effort which totally mobilizes society in one common purpose which is achieved over all else. I was in New Orleans last week and spent a day at the excellent World War 2 Museum. Since I taught both US History and Government for three decades there was little brand new there for me. But looking at the exhibits on the home front and how everything was controlled down to three gallons of gas per week and centers to collect cooking fat for the war effort, it hit home what real WAR actually is. The so called WAR on drugs is a bad joke.
    3- as a people we are going to have to decide which is more important - tens of thousands of different school systems, some of which do a great job and some of which do a poor job and a national plan for education which really and truly leaves no child behind due to local problems. We can still have states and locals administer a national curriculum but we badly need one.
    4- the Rich - it is what it is and what it is is the rich getting richer while the middle class loses ground. that does not make for a stable society and even though I tease you about your McMansion and wealth, you have to know that a truly stable society cannot afford a really wide gap between the rich and everyone else. The health of our nation is not measured only by the top 1%. Henry Ford knew that when he put in his five dollar day.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    The middle class is losing ground because of several things-the rich not being taxed enough has nothing to do with it.

    Making drugs illegal is a stupid waste of resources and freedom



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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    1- actually I do not want one person on welfare. I would want a society where all can make a contribution and support themselves. As to the boundaries of the federal government, I have no problem with them but do not treat America today as if it is America of 1787.
    2- I am being a smart ass on this topic. When I think of WAR I think of WW2. A complete all out balls-to-the-walls effort which totally mobilizes society in one common purpose which is achieved over all else. I was in New Orleans last week and spent a day at the excellent World War 2 Museum. Since I taught both US History and Government for three decades there was little brand new there for me. But looking at the exhibits on the home front and how everything was controlled down to three gallons of gas per week and centers to collect cooking fat for the war effort, it hit home what real WAR actually is. The so called WAR on drugs is a bad joke.
    3- as a people we are going to have to decide which is more important - tens of thousands of different school systems, some of which do a great job and some of which do a poor job and a national plan for education which really and truly leaves no child behind due to local problems. We can still have states and locals administer a national curriculum but we badly need one.
    4- the Rich - it is what it is and what it is is the rich getting richer while the middle class loses ground. that does not make for a stable society and even though I tease you about your McMansion and wealth, you have to know that a truly stable society cannot afford a really wide gap between the rich and everyone else. The health of our nation is not measured only by the top 1%. Henry Ford knew that when he put in his five dollar day.
    haymarket, are you part of the group that opposed extension of the Bush tax cuts? It does seem that liberals are pretty naive when it comes to reality and individual responsibility. It seems that every liberal I know judges people based upon their own stereotypes based upon themselves and ignore that there are a large percentage of people that abuse the system and will take it for every penny they can get. We have thousands in prison, thousands that would steal from you or your business, and abuse their bodies with drugs and alcohol sending you the bill.

    It would be great if everyone was like you, but they aren't. What do you do with people who won't work? Think we need 99 plus weeks of unemployment checks from the taxpayers? How do you think those Americans of 1787 made it?

    Think Americans today could survive living like those Americans did during WWII. People today riot when they don't get their Michael Jordan shoes or IPhones. My father was at Pearl Harbor in the Navy on Dec. 7, 1941 and before that worked in the CCC camps of Oregon for a $1 a day sending .50 of it home to his Mom and Dad. He knew what suffering was all about as did his family. Americans today have an entitlement mentality and when millions of Americans have no problem taking income from one class and giving it to someone else that promotes an "I want mine" attitude which isn't what this country was built on.

    We live in a PC society today and the more the Federal Govt. gets involved the more PC society becomes. Education belongs at the state level, not the national level. NCLB was an attempt at national standards. How has that worked out? The biggest problem in education today is the top heavy administrative costs as well the unions whose demands never focus on results.

    I keep hearing that the rich are getting richer. My question is what is preventing people from becoming rich? Liberalism has done more to destroy incentive than anything done in history and that starts with the New Deal and continued on with the Great Society. The pie is out there for anyone that wants a pie and with the right effort, initiative, and drive, they can get a bigger piece. I am living proof of that.

    Until Americans understand that personal income is just that and it is the people's money before it goes to the government nothing is going to change. How do you think the 47% of the people who don't pay a dime in Federal Income taxes think about the extension of the Bush tax cuts? The last election gave me some hope as more and more are getting tired of the class envy and placing blame. Americans better wake up and naive liberals need to lead the way. Stop judging people by the way you want to judge them and start judging them by the way they are, individuals who have different priorities and different morals.

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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

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    haymarket, are you part of the group that opposed extension of the Bush tax cuts? It does seem that liberals are pretty naive when it comes to reality and individual responsibility. It seems that every liberal I know judges people based upon their own stereotypes based upon themselves and ignore that there are a large percentage of people that abuse the system and will take it for every penny they can get. We have thousands in prison, thousands that would steal from you or your business, and abuse their bodies with drugs and alcohol sending you the bill.

    It would be great if everyone was like you, but they aren't. What do you do with people who won't work? Think we need 99 plus weeks of unemployment checks from the taxpayers? How do you think those Americans of 1787 made it?

    Think Americans today could survive living like those Americans did during WWII. People today riot when they don't get their Michael Jordan shoes or IPhones. My father was at Pearl Harbor in the Navy on Dec. 7, 1941 and before that worked in the CCC camps of Oregon for a $1 a day sending .50 of it home to his Mom and Dad. He knew what suffering was all about as did his family. Americans today have an entitlement mentality and when millions of Americans have no problem taking income from one class and giving it to someone else that promotes an "I want mine" attitude which isn't what this country was built on.

    We live in a PC society today and the more the Federal Govt. gets involved the more PC society becomes. Education belongs at the state level, not the national level. NCLB was an attempt at national standards. How has that worked out? The biggest problem in education today is the top heavy administrative costs as well the unions whose demands never focus on results.

    I keep hearing that the rich are getting richer. My question is what is preventing people from becoming rich? Liberalism has done more to destroy incentive than anything done in history and that starts with the New Deal and continued on with the Great Society. The pie is out there for anyone that wants a pie and with the right effort, initiative, and drive, they can get a bigger piece. I am living proof of that.

    Until Americans understand that personal income is just that and it is the people's money before it goes to the government nothing is going to change. How do you think the 47% of the people who don't pay a dime in Federal Income taxes think about the extension of the Bush tax cuts? The last election gave me some hope as more and more are getting tired of the class envy and placing blame. Americans better wake up and naive liberals need to lead the way. Stop judging people by the way you want to judge them and start judging them by the way they are, individuals who have different priorities and different morals.

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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    welfare socialism is the newest opiate of the masses. At one time it was God, now its Big Brother
    While working I had a payroll of over 1200 employees with a mixture of hourly and salaried employees. My managers made 45K a year plus a bonus that could put them over 80k a year. The Hourly employees started at $8 an hour with 6 month reviews and pay raises if they qualify. They also had bonus opportunities of over $200 a month and I always promoted from within for manager positions. All employees including part time had the opportunity for healthcare in which I paid 80% of the premiums. Since most of the group were younger thus invincible less than 50% chose to participate.

    In spite of this I had employees steal from the company with one employee stealing over $75000. These are the people liberals refuse to acknowledge exist and are the ones they want tax dollars to help. They are also the ones that will sit on their butts for the maximum amount of time drawing unemployment checks as no one will hire them. Unfortunately there weren't just a few like that. Guess haymarket wants them to have further taxpayer assistance.

    The only thing preventing them from advancing and making good money was them as the opportunities were there. My turnover percentage was about 100% a year meaning about 1200 new hires each year which required training costs. So all isn't glory in the business world.

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