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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

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    What exactly have I lied about?
    You have said a few times now that I do not know the subject I have taught. You talk out of your posterior about things you know nothing about. You lie about me and not believing in limited government. You lie about me not understanding the role of government. You make statements that have no basis in fact simply because you are trying to say false things bout people simply because they do not see things the way that you do.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

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    Want Scalia's opinion? I can give you that, also. He's about as hard core as one can get, no?

    "To begin with, the answer is clear. If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede. (Hence, in the Pledge of Allegiance, "one Nation, indivisible.") Secondly, I find it difficult to envision who the parties to this lawsuit might be. Is the State suing the United States for a declaratory judgment? But the United States cannot be sued without its consent, and it has not consented to this sort of suit." Want the link?
    So you think states rights is about seceding? Our Founders didn't, what has changed? The point remains, our Founders and no one here has proven differently believed and created a small, limited Central govt. and stated so in the Constitution. What I find interesting is how far too many take PROMOTE Domestic Welfare to mean PROVIDE Domestic welfare which has generated the welfare state we have today.

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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

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    Noticed that liberals never seem to address the Constitution and the FACT that our Founders created a LIMITED Federal govt. Doesn't seem that Kev or haymarket have read it or if they have they ignored it.
    OK, which part of the government do you want to cut back, military, people, departments, or companies with government contracts?

    Forget SS, Medicare and FICA. They're not funded by tax payers.

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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    OK, which part of the government do you want to cut back, military, people, departments, or companies with government contracts?

    Forget SS, Medicare and FICA. They're not funded by tax payers.

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    Anything to do with social and personal responsibilities, that rests with the States and local govt.

    Forget SS, Medicare and FICA. They're not funded by tax payers.
    You are kidding, right, SS, Medicare are funded by FICA thus funded by the taxpayers.

    I gave you a list of the items funded by the Federal Govt. why did you ignore it? There are billions that can be cut from that list as many of the expenses there are duplicated by the State Government.

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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

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    So you think states rights is about seceding? Our Founders didn't, what has changed? The point remains, our Founders and no one here has proven differently believed and created a small, limited Central govt. and stated so in the Constitution. What I find interesting is how far too many take PROMOTE Domestic Welfare to mean PROVIDE Domestic welfare which has generated the welfare state we have today.
    Personally, I feel I know very well what "states rights" means, and it's very very clear from when people pull it out of their pocket what they mean. It doesn't mean states rights at all. It means the right is throwing a tantrum when an election, or policy, doesn't go their way. Race and/or civil rights are usually involved. Why is that? Fear, I think. Fear that somebody's gonna take something away from you or fear you won't get what you want. Nothing more. Let's see, when do you pull this crap? A short history?

    Nullification and Civil Disobedience - Civil Rights - Racism - Martin Luther King - States Rights - Interposition - Slavery - Thomas Jefferson - secession | SwiftEconomics.com

    "When one thinks of nullification, a few things may come to mind: the nullification crisis of 1832, John Calhoun and slavery, Brown v. Board of Education as well as the struggle for civil rights in the 1960’s. While the nullification crisis of 1832 was a dispute over the “tariff of abomination,” the threat of nullification was also seen a preemptive measure in case the federal government ever tried to interfere with slavery. John Calhoun, who saw slavery as “instead of an evil, a good, a positive good,” was a major supporter of nullification and was instrumental in laying the intellectual groundwork for the secession that lead to the Civil War. There was talk of nullification for the Civil Rights Act of 1964. And actual attempts were made after the Supreme Court ruled on Brown v. Board of Education, which persuaded President Eisenhower to call in federal troops to escort the “Little Rock 9” to class in what was formerly an all-white school. Nullification, as with interposition and secession, has without question been used to deny civil rights to minorities in this country."

    "It’s thereby not surprising that Princeton professor Sean Wilentz refers to the doctrine of nullification as “the essence of anarchy” and “neo-Confederate dogma” while Chris Mathews described it as the “terms of Jim Crow.” A whole host of other bloggers and political commentators have referred to it as a “code word for racism.” Among most on the left, nullification, and states’ rights in general, are simply an affront to civil rights."


    The clue is when it is used, and it's NEVER used when a conservative is in power, even though a president like Reagan grew gov 185% and left a deficit we're still struggling with. Why do folks ignore the long term consequences of their short term policies? Yup, you got wealthy real quick in the eighties then lost it all in S&L scandals and Enron-type debacles. See, in the long run, those policies cost millions of Americans everything they worked their entire lives for. Middle class Americans, all so a very few of you could get wealthy.

    Dude, the last administration gave you tax cuts galore and lost 800,000 jobs over 8 years, compared to Clinton's 26 million created and a budget surplus. Yet you still cling to your policies.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Kev316 View Post
    Personally, I feel I know very well what "states rights" means, and it's very very clear from when people pull it out of their pocket what they mean. It doesn't mean states rights at all. It means the right is throwing a tantrum when an election, or policy, doesn't go their way. Race and/or civil rights are usually involved. Why is that? Fear, I think. Fear that somebody's gonna take something away from you or fear you won't get what you want. Nothing more. Let's see, when do you pull this crap? A short history?

    Nullification and Civil Disobedience - Civil Rights - Racism - Martin Luther King - States Rights - Interposition - Slavery - Thomas Jefferson - secession | SwiftEconomics.com

    "When one thinks of nullification, a few things may come to mind: the nullification crisis of 1832, John Calhoun and slavery, Brown v. Board of Education as well as the struggle for civil rights in the 1960’s. While the nullification crisis of 1832 was a dispute over the “tariff of abomination,” the threat of nullification was also seen a preemptive measure in case the federal government ever tried to interfere with slavery. John Calhoun, who saw slavery as “instead of an evil, a good, a positive good,” was a major supporter of nullification and was instrumental in laying the intellectual groundwork for the secession that lead to the Civil War. There was talk of nullification for the Civil Rights Act of 1964. And actual attempts were made after the Supreme Court ruled on Brown v. Board of Education, which persuaded President Eisenhower to call in federal troops to escort the “Little Rock 9” to class in what was formerly an all-white school. Nullification, as with interposition and secession, has without question been used to deny civil rights to minorities in this country."

    "It’s thereby not surprising that Princeton professor Sean Wilentz refers to the doctrine of nullification as “the essence of anarchy” and “neo-Confederate dogma” while Chris Mathews described it as the “terms of Jim Crow.” A whole host of other bloggers and political commentators have referred to it as a “code word for racism.” Among most on the left, nullification, and states’ rights in general, are simply an affront to civil rights."


    The clue is when it is used, and it's NEVER used when a conservative is in power, even though a president like Reagan grew gov 185% and left a deficit we're still struggling with. Why do folks ignore the long term consequences of their short term policies? Yup, you got wealthy real quick in the eighties then lost it all in S&L scandals and Enron-type debacles. See, in the long run, those policies cost millions of Americans everything they worked their entire lives for. Middle class Americans, all so a very few of you could get wealthy.

    Dude, the last administration gave you tax cuts galore and lost 800,000 jobs over 8 years, compared to Clinton's 26 million created and a budget surplus. Yet you still cling to your policies.
    I don't know where you get your information but it makes you look foolish, GW Bush inherited a recession and left us in a recession and still created 6.5 million jobs. Obama has lost four million in two years still blaming on Bush while ignoring his own policies. the rest of your post is typical of picking and choosing what you want out of history.

    Please get an education because the actual non partisan facts paint a different picture.

    BLS link, create own chart

    Employment, Hours, and Earnings from the Current Employment Statistics survey (National)

    Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey

    BEA links GDP and Receipts/Expense

    U.S. Department of Commerce. Bureau of Economic Analysis

    You have a very selective view of history, one through a partisan prism. I learned a long time ago to trust but verify any rhetoric from both sides. You seem to ignore actual facts.


    Series Id: LNS12000000
    Seasonally Adjusted
    Series title: (Seas) Employment Level
    Labor force status: Employed
    Type of data: Number in thousands
    Age: 16 years and over
    Years: 1980 to 2010

    Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
    2000 136559 136598 136701 137270 136630 136940 136531 136662 136893 137088 137322 137614
    2001 137778 137612 137783 137299 137092 136873 137071 136241 136846 136392 136238 136047
    2002 135701 136438 136177 136126 136539 136415 136413 136705 137302 137008 136521 136426
    2003 137417 137482 137434 137633 137544 137790 137474 137549 137609 137984 138424 138411
    2004 138472 138542 138453 138680 138852 139174 139556 139573 139487 139732 140231 140125
    2005 140245 140385 140654 141254 141609 141714 142026 142434 142401 142548 142499 142752
    2006 143142 143444 143765 143794 144108 144370 144229 144631 144797 145292 145477 145914
    2007 146032 146043 146368 145686 145952 146079 145926 145685 146193 145885 146483 146173
    2008 146421 146165 146173 146306 146023 145768 145515 145187 145021 144677 143907 143188
    2009 142221 141687 140854 140902 140438 140038 139817 139433 138768 138242 138381 137792
    2010 138333 138641 138905 139455 139420 139119 138960 139250 139391 139061 138888
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Anything to do with social and personal responsibilities, that rests with the States and local govt.



    You are kidding, right, SS, Medicare are funded by FICA thus funded by the taxpayers.

    I gave you a list of the items funded by the Federal Govt. why did you ignore it? There are billions that can be cut from that list as many of the expenses there are duplicated by the State Government.
    The more I watch, the clearer it becomes that your knowledge is pretty limited. One trick pony: States rights, no taxes, neuter the UNITED States. Without the federal government, you would have no state. None of us would. Do you know how big this nation is? How far it's tentacles reach throughout the world? The commitments we made going back to Barbary Wars? Why we made them? Why we stand up for those who cannot defend themselves in the world?

    I don't think you do. Big gaps, man. Big gaps in your knowledge.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Kev316 View Post
    The more I watch, the clearer it becomes that your knowledge is pretty limited. One trick pony: States rights, no taxes, neuter the UNITED States. Without the federal government, you would have no state. None of us would. Do you know how big this nation is? How far it's tentacles reach throughout the world? The commitments we made going back to Barbary Wars? Why we made them? Why we stand up for those who cannot defend themselves in the world?

    I don't think you do. Big gaps, man. Big gaps in your knowledge.
    The more you post the more you show a comprehension problem. You buy what you are told and when the facts get in the way, you ignore them too. No one is calling for zero taxes so unless you can point out where I said that then admit you are wrong. No one is calling for neutering the U.S. other than liberals who are destroying this country by spending it into bankruptcy. States rights are where personal responsibilities lie not the Federal level.

    The role of the govt. is to PROVIDE for the Common Defense and to PROMOTE Domestic Welfare. Providing for the defense of this nation is the role of govt. Providing for the welfare of the people rests in the states. You seem to be a legend in your own mind, all that education you received and you learned so very little.

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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I don't know where you get your information but it makes you look foolish, GW Bush inherited a recession and left us in a recession and still created 6.5 million jobs. Obama has lost four million in two years still blaming on Bush while ignoring his own policies. the rest of your post is typical of picking and choosing what you want out of history.

    Please get an education because the actual non partisan facts paint a different picture.

    BLS link, create own chart

    Employment, Hours, and Earnings from the Current Employment Statistics survey (National)

    Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey

    BEA links GDP and Receipts/Expense

    U.S. Department of Commerce. Bureau of Economic Analysis

    You have a very selective view of history, one through a partisan prism. I learned a long time ago to trust but verify any rhetoric from both sides. You seem to ignore actual facts.
    Really? You still think Bush created jobs and the recession started under Clinton. Both are false. The recession began in March 2001 and peaked in November 2001. Over 8 years, Bush policies cost 800,000 jobs and incomes for middle class Americans dropped $2500 annually, while the top 2% grew exponentially.

    Stop it. I'm not a punk kid you can bully, I'm not an employee you can fire. I think reeel good, yee ha. Maybe I just need to dumb this down further. I'll work on it.
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