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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What in the world does that have to do with proving what a 'net taxpayer' is? Try to look it up on the internet Gardener. Try to find a definition of it. Try to quantify it. Try to find a formula which includes the necessary information so that you can apply the judgment to yourself. IT CANNOT BE DONE.

    Turtle refuses to present any such definition and relevant information because 'net taxpayers' reside in the same mythical land that unicorns, elves, fairies, orcs and fire breathing dragons exist.

    But I stand ready to read the authoritative definition and all relevant material you may provide.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Kev316 View Post
    That IS the argument, isn't it? As I said in my post, we see things differently. Doesn't mean my constitutional understand is paultry. It means we disagree on the role and scope of government. Always have.

    Why would you assume I don't know Dems retained the Senate? Where McConnell's statement is concerned, it seems you don't understand how the Senate works and why it is broken. Only takes 1 man to kill a bill in the Senate. It's why nearly 370 bills passed by the House (many with bi-partisan support) have been killed in the Senate this past 2 years. The growing pile of legislation awaiting Senate approval has rankled House Democrats, who have complained of having to take politically dangerous votes on bills only to see them stall in the upper chamber.

    Legislation gap grows - TheHill.com

    The list of 372 bills ranges from the major such as the cap-and-trade energy and climate bill passed in June 2009 to the mundane: legislation to name an outpatient clinic at the Department of Veterans Affairs.

    I don't think your righty talkers are serving you very well. This is pretty basic.

    You assume that since I post stuff I get it from "right wing talkers"? Project much?



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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You assume that since I post stuff I get it from "right wing talkers"? Project much?
    Dude, you're a walking talking point. Funny you should ignore the meat of the subject, though.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Kev316 View Post
    I'm thinking he was joking...
    Do not make that mistake. He is deadly serious.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Kev316 View Post
    The states have a ton to do with it, actually. Especially the south. For instance, for every dollar going to the treasury from Illinois, the federal government returns .73 cents, netting the feds .27 cents. Texas receives .94 for every dollar. However - in a state like New Mexico, $2.00 is returned for every $1.00 sent to the treasury, putting the feds in a deficit where Az is concerned. For a list of all state contributions and receipts, go here:

    Here's the map if you wanna look at the numbers:

    http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/sr139.pdf Go to page 2.
    The Federal Govt. has facilities in those states, you wouldn't expect them to default on their obligations, would you? The Federal Govt. purchases products from the states, you wouldn't expect them to default on those purchases would you?

    But to the bigger issue, if the states are sending dollars to the Federal Govt. and receiving less than a dollar back how did the states create the debt? Looks like the govt. made a profit on the dollars sent to the govt? You do realize that if a state sends a dollar to the Federal govt and gets .94 cents back that means the Govt. made .06 on the deal. For doing what?

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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    your understanding of the Constitution is rather paltry. The Constitution created a LIMITED federal government that only had the POWERS specifically DELEGATED to it.

    The rest of your rant is shrouded in ignorance. The senate MAJORITY leader is Harry Reid. Today and next week and next year (short of him resigning or dying or his own party firing him). That you don't even understand that the Dems retained the senate is rather telling
    Noticed that liberals never seem to address the Constitution and the FACT that our Founders created a LIMITED Federal govt. Doesn't seem that Kev or haymarket have read it or if they have they ignored it.

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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Noticed that liberals never seem to address the Constitution and the FACT that our Founders created a LIMITED Federal govt. Doesn't seem that Kev or haymarket have read it or if they have they ignored it.
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    I believe in Constitutionally limited government. Always have. Always will. And having taught the Constitution several times each semester for over thirty years, you can take it to the bank that I do not ignore it.

    Does it somehow elevate you in your own mind for you to intentionally disparage and outright lie about people simply because they disagree with you?
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The Federal Govt. has facilities in those states, you wouldn't expect them to default on their obligations, would you? The Federal Govt. purchases products from the states, you wouldn't expect them to default on those purchases would you?

    But to the bigger issue, if the states are sending dollars to the Federal Govt. and receiving less than a dollar back how did the states create the debt? Looks like the govt. made a profit on the dollars sent to the govt? You do realize that if a state sends a dollar to the Federal govt and gets .94 cents back that means the Govt. made .06 on the deal. For doing what?
    Yeah, I do understand what it means. .73 from a dollar is .27. That's why I put it in my post. Didn't look at the link, did ya? Anyway, if you don't know the basics of what the feds do (from infrastructure to matching state funds for vital services (transportation, for one) and the various agencies that give you clean air and water, safe food and drugs, good highways and a myriad of other services, then this is pointless. That .27 cents also goes to conservative states that can't hold their own. Look at the map. It's why I put it there. Let's take a quick review, okay? These are the states robbing the treasury. See if you can tell me the common denominator:

    Alabama
    Alaska
    Arizona
    Arkansas
    Florida
    Hawaii
    Idaho
    Iowa
    Kansas
    Kentucky
    Louisiana
    Maine
    Maryland
    Mississippi
    Missouri
    Montana
    Nebraska
    New Mexico
    North Dakota
    Ohio
    Oklahoma
    Pennsylvania
    Rhode Island
    South Carolina
    South Dakota
    Tennessee
    Utah
    Vermont
    Virginia
    West Virginia
    Wyoming

    Now, notice anything about the blue state/red state ratio when it comes to the federal government saving their a**es? More proof your policies do nothing but create deficits, from Reagan to Bush to Bush to state and local governments controlled by cons. The proof is in the pudding, no? Why are you ignoring history and the facts in front of you? Con economic policy has proven to be a dismal failure.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
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    I believe in Constitutionally limited government. Always have. Always will. And having taught the Constitution several times each semester for over thirty years, you can take it to the bank that I do not ignore it.

    Does it somehow elevate you in your own mind for you to intentionally disparage and outright lie about people simply because they disagree with you?
    What exactly have I lied about?

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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Want Scalia's opinion? I can give you that, also. He's about as hard core as one can get, no?

    "To begin with, the answer is clear. If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede. (Hence, in the Pledge of Allegiance, "one Nation, indivisible.") Secondly, I find it difficult to envision who the parties to this lawsuit might be. Is the State suing the United States for a declaratory judgment? But the United States cannot be sued without its consent, and it has not consented to this sort of suit." Want the link?
    I've always felt that a person's intelligence is directly reflected by the number of conflicting points of view he can entertain simultaneously on the same topic. - Abigail Adams

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