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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    There is no such thing as a net taxpayer.

    Prove to me that there is.
    These folks pay taxes

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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

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    A malignant federal government has usurped many functions of the several states. The left likes this because it forces the citizens of the various states to do what the left likes If the federalist system the founders envisioned remained, then states that want to spend lots of money catering to the unproductive could do so and then pay the price of having most of the high net tax payers move to states that are more hospitable to industrious people. A state could have severe gun restrictions meaning gun owners would leave as well. In other words, states that engaged in left wing nonsense or pillow-headed utopianistic schemes would see the smart and the talented leave which would collapse such schemes.
    Here's where you are waaay off on your understand of Dems and the left in general. The right has to stop applying motives because they can't mind read.

    Let me tell what we believe: We believe in the United States and we're not going to let anyone rip it apart. I feel what cons really want is a one party system so they can run roughshod over the nation. They seem to have no concept of accepting election results, yet claim they love the constitution. Their Senate majority leader says the only priority is to break Obama. I'm thinking nothing could be more anti-American than a vow to destroy this nation's elected leader. That is akin to a bloodless coup. So much for "respecting the office."

    Your way or we're gonna rebel - no debate, no discussion. We're all supposed to cower as the great "patriots" (cough), bellow their orders to the unwashed masses from on high, elections be damned. You did it with Lincoln, FDR, LBJ, WJ Clinton, and you're doing it again. But this time, you have a number of full time media outlets with over the top dropouts teaching the constitution.

    The federalist system was a dismal failure and the founders rewrote the constitution. Threw out the articles. Poof.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Kev316 View Post
    Here's where you are waaay off on your understand of Dems and the left in general. The right has to stop applying motives because they can't mind read.

    Let me tell what we believe: We believe in the United States and we're not going to let anyone rip it apart. I feel what cons really want is a one party system so they can run roughshod over the nation. They seem to have no concept of accepting election results, yet claim they love the constitution. Their Senate majority leader says the only priority is to break Obama. I'm thinking nothing could be more anti-American than a vow to destroy this nation's elected leader. That is akin to a bloodless coup. So much for "respecting the office."

    Your way or we're gonna rebel - no debate, no discussion. We're all supposed to cower as the great "patriots" (cough), bellow their orders to the unwashed masses from on high, elections be damned. You did it with Lincoln, FDR, LBJ, WJ Clinton, and you're doing it again. But this time, you have a number of full time media outlets with over the top dropouts teaching the constitution.

    The federalist system was a dismal failure and the founders rewrote the constitution. Threw out the articles. Poof.
    Sounds like a life long Democrat, where do you get your "knowledge" of Conservatives and who Conservatives are? Sounds a lot more like the typical leftwing propaganda spewed daily by the leftwing media. To believe that Conservatives don't support the United States is absurd and that we want to rip it apart is wrong on so many levels. What Conservatives want is the United States to be more like its original intent of the founders. I suggest you read about them and study the govt. they created. It isn't what we have now. Who benefits from the large central govt. we have?

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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Kev316 View Post
    Here's where you are waaay off on your understand of Dems and the left in general. The right has to stop applying motives because they can't mind read.

    Let me tell what we believe: We believe in the United States and we're not going to let anyone rip it apart. I feel what cons really want is a one party system so they can run roughshod over the nation. They seem to have no concept of accepting election results, yet claim they love the constitution. Their Senate majority leader says the only priority is to break Obama. I'm thinking nothing could be more anti-American than a vow to destroy this nation's elected leader. That is akin to a bloodless coup. So much for "respecting the office."

    Your way or we're gonna rebel - no debate, no discussion. We're all supposed to cower as the great "patriots" (cough), bellow their orders to the unwashed masses from on high, elections be damned. You did it with Lincoln, FDR, LBJ, WJ Clinton, and you're doing it again. But this time, you have a number of full time media outlets with over the top dropouts teaching the constitution.

    The federalist system was a dismal failure and the founders rewrote the constitution. Threw out the articles. Poof.
    your understanding of the Constitution is rather paltry. The Constitution created a LIMITED federal government that only had the POWERS specifically DELEGATED to it.

    The rest of your rant is shrouded in ignorance. The senate MAJORITY leader is Harry Reid. Today and next week and next year (short of him resigning or dying or his own party firing him). That you don't even understand that the Dems retained the senate is rather telling



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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    We have a 14 trillion dollar National debt, what part did the states contribute to that? Get off your big govt. soapbox and think for a change. One size doesn't fit all and never has. Your big govt. attitude is waning or didn't you see the Nov. 2 election results? The Majority in this country bought the "hope and change" message without truly understanding it. They do now.

    I don't see an answer to the question, why isn't your state trying what TX did and is doing? This Country has a Constitution which establishes the rules. I would have thought that a civics teacher would have read the Constitution. There is nothing in that Constitution that promotes your "one size" fits all govt. Power corrupts and that is what liberals thrive on, power. Power keeps people like you employed.
    The states have a ton to do with it, actually. Especially the south. For instance, for every dollar going to the treasury from Illinois, the federal government returns .73 cents, netting the feds .27 cents. Texas receives .94 for every dollar. However - in a state like New Mexico, $2.00 is returned for every $1.00 sent to the treasury, putting the feds in a deficit where Az is concerned. For a list of all state contributions and receipts, go here:

    Here's the map if you wanna look at the numbers:

    http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/sr139.pdf Go to page 2.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

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    Get off your big govt. soapbox and think for a change
    Maybe you did not read my post properly. I am trying to get government OUT OF THE BUSINESS of creating winners and losers let business rise or fall on free market principles. Why would you object to that?

    Why do you want government to continue to pick winners and losers and establish conditions that are anti free market and anti open competition?

    There is nothing in that Constitution that promotes your "one size" fits all govt.
    I have no idea where you took Government and Civics. Perhaps it was in Texas. But all of my students were well instructed in the different articles and powers contained in the US Constitution. That would include Article I, Section 8, clause 3 and clause 18. We can begin there and see if that offers an opportunity.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    What in the world does that have to do with proving what a 'net taxpayer' is? I pay taxes also. Lots of them. That does not make me a 'net taxpayer' does it?

    Try to look it up on the internet Gardener. Try to find a definition of it. Try to quantify it. Try to find a formula which includes the necessary information so that you can apply the judgment to yourself. IT CANNOT BE DONE.

    Turtle refuses to present any such definition and relevant information because 'net taxpayers' reside in the same mythical land that unicorns, elves, fairies, orcs and fire breathing dragons exist.

    But I stand ready to read the authoritative definition and all relevant material you may provide.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    your understanding of the Constitution is rather paltry. The Constitution created a LIMITED federal government that only had the POWERS specifically DELEGATED to it.

    The rest of your rant is shrouded in ignorance. The senate MAJORITY leader is Harry Reid. Today and next week and next year (short of him resigning or dying or his own party firing him). That you don't even understand that the Dems retained the senate is rather telling
    That IS the argument, isn't it? As I said in my post, we see things differently. Doesn't mean my constitutional understand is paultry. It means we disagree on the role and scope of government. Always have.

    Why would you assume I don't know Dems retained the Senate? Where McConnell's statement is concerned, it seems you don't understand how the Senate works and why it is broken. Only takes 1 man to kill a bill in the Senate. It's why nearly 370 bills passed by the House (many with bi-partisan support) have been killed in the Senate this past 2 years. The growing pile of legislation awaiting Senate approval has rankled House Democrats, who have complained of having to take politically dangerous votes on bills only to see them stall in the upper chamber.

    Legislation gap grows - TheHill.com

    The list of 372 bills ranges from the major such as the cap-and-trade energy and climate bill passed in June 2009 to the mundane: legislation to name an outpatient clinic at the Department of Veterans Affairs.

    I don't think your righty talkers are serving you very well. This is pretty basic.
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