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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    There are only some many businesses in the USA today. That indeed is an exact and measurable number. It is not infinite or theoretical.

    If all fifty states decided to opt for a strategy to give tax breaks to corporations, to give donations and money to corporations, to waive regulations for corporations, how could they all then be successful in their strategy?

    It only stands to reason that if a corporation is going to line up fifty states and take the position that we will set up shop in the state which gives us the most, there will only be one state which gets them and the other 49 will NOT get that plant or headquarters or whatever it may be.

    How do you then get 50 successful states using this strategy when only one will win?
    In order for this logic to track, one must believe in the preservation of the union. This is what liberals and the left in general do not understand, I think: States rights breaks the union, making each state a semi-nation state and they WANT this so bad they'll destroy the country over it. The Federal Government would be viewed almost as a foreign concern. It ends up being the EU. Every state for themselves. They want a new confederacy, plain and simple. That, or a return to the unworkable Articles of Confederation.

    THIS is what they ultimately want. It is why they attempt to tear down when in office, rather than build. Cutting funding to states and vital services is how they make programs fail, ultimately claiming it was the program's fault. Watch how they will attack health care: they will starve the beast by trying to defund it, then declare it a failure. But then, they claim SSI and Medicare are failures, too. They've been after those a long time and will never hide the fact they want those programs gone.

    If the jobs go to Texas and nowhere else, Texas would view this as a very good thing. Destruction of another state's economy, as in business, would be good. It eliminates competition.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

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    that must explai .... nah ... too easy and its Christmas.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

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    On Christmas Day I am not going to get into this with you as all liberals have to stick together no matter how wrong they are. It truly is a cult.
    Duh-that's why they are known as "collectivists"



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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    It is easy to point out the businesses that abuse the system but not so easy to point out that these are the exception rather than the rule. The large corporations in this country constitute aboout 20% of the businesses thus there is plenty of room for those 80% to succeed. There are limited businesses that can relocate to states, no question, but there are 308 million people in this country with more than 16 million unemployed. We are a long ways from getting to the problem you claim will happen.

    Instead of being part of the problem, why not be part of the solution? As I understand it you are going to work for a politician in D.C. Ask that politician what his role is and if it anything like creating equal outcome, run. If it is anything like what can I do for someone else vs. what can I do helping someone else learn how to care for themselves, run.
    Seems like you used a lot of words to simply say
    'that is not a successful strategy that all 50 states can use and many will be losers.'
    I would very much like to be part of the solution. I suspect you would not like the solution. You don't like politicians creating predetermined outcomes for business? Fine. Lets have one national policy that no unit of government can create winners or losers. Lets have one national policy which prevents any level of government from creating winners and losers by doling out tax breaks to one company over others who pay those taxes thereby giving them unfair advantage over other companies in the marketplace. Lets have one national policy which prevents government from creating winners and losers by barring any level of government from giving corporate welfare or payments to corporations or businesses thereby giving them an unfair advantage over other companies in the marketplace. Let us have one national policy with prevents government from creating winners and losers by waiving regulatory regulations for some companies giving them an unfair advantage in the marketplace.

    Do you join me in that Conservative?
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Duh-that's why they are known as "collectivists"
    yeah right ... you righties never ever ever stick up for each other here do you?

    gimme a freakin break and be honest..... at least on Christmas of all days.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Kev316 View Post
    In order for this logic to track, one must believe in the preservation of the union. This is what liberals and the left in general do not understand, I think: States rights breaks the union, making each state a semi-nation state and they WANT this so bad they'll destroy the country over it. The Federal Government would be viewed almost as a foreign concern. It ends up being the EU. Every state for themselves. They want a new confederacy, plain and simple. That, or a return to the unworkable Articles of Confederation.

    THIS is what they ultimately want. It is why they attempt to tear down when in office, rather than build. Cutting funding to states and vital services is how they make programs fail, ultimately claiming it was the program's fault. Watch how they will attack health care: they will starve the beast by trying to defund it, then declare it a failure. But then, they claim SSI and Medicare are failures, too. They've been after those a long time and will never hide the fact they want those programs gone.

    If the jobs go to Texas and nowhere else, Texas would view this as a very good thing. Destruction of another state's economy, as in business, would be good. It eliminates competition.
    This ignores history and the concept our Founders used to create our govt, a small central govt. with the power to the states where it belongs. That is closer to the people. Ever notice that most of the smaller states are red states? why don't you ask yourself why? Ask yourself why the major cities with all their fraud, waste, abuse remain Democrat? The country isn't going to explode with states rights, instead it will remove the power from the Federal Govt that promotes the waste, fraud, and abuse by its mere size.

    Too many liberals ignore the concept of states rights and use your argument all the time all in an attempt to promote a larger central govt. Read the Constitution and you will find what a marvelous document that really is.

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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    yeah right ... you righties never ever ever stick up for each other here do you?

    gimme a freakin break and be honest..... at least on Christmas of all days.
    Truth doesn't take holidays off



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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Conservative said he does not want government creating winners and losers. He advocates that I be part of the solution. So I asked him this

    You don't like politicians creating predetermined outcomes for business? Fine. Lets have one national policy that no unit of government can create winners or losers. Lets have one national policy which prevents any level of government from creating winners and losers by doling out tax breaks to one company over others who pay those taxes thereby giving them unfair advantage over other companies in the marketplace. Lets have one national policy which prevents government from creating winners and losers by barring any level of government from giving corporate welfare or payments to corporations or businesses thereby giving them an unfair advantage over other companies in the marketplace. Let us have one national policy with prevents government from creating winners and losers by waiving regulatory regulations for some companies giving them an unfair advantage in the marketplace.

    Do you join me in that Conservative?

    his answer is

    This ignores history and the concept our Founders used to create our govt, a small central govt. with the power to the states where it belongs.
    You seem to be backtracking on your own position and now saying 'NO I still want governments to have those power to create winners and losers'
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Truth doesn't take holidays off
    So you righties NO DOT stick up for each other here as I said you do?

    Its only one way or the other so think carefully.
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