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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    It took a while but i thinks i has finally seen the light!! More tax is better!

    So here is the plan:

    • Next year we raise the taxes on the rich to 100%. That oughta bring the deficit down.
    • So the following year the "rich" will all be broke so they won't have to pay any taxes. That should make them happy.
    • And since those former rich bastards are now broke and unemployed, they will be collecting Unemployment Benefits (which Pelosi assures us in the BEST way to inject money into the economy!!!)


    Lordy. This plan looks like a WIN/WIN situation for everybody....!!!!!


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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Protectionist View Post
    Yeah ? So what's an "objective concept of fair" in your book. in your SUBjective view ?
    How about John Howard, hedge fund manager - does nothing for society (like firefighters or coal miners). Only manipulates money and people to enrich himself, and rakes in $ 1.5 Billion/year.
    His taxes are less than the standard 35%. I'm not sure what they are exactly.

    Even if they were 35%, his income (for doing nothing, essentially) would be $ 525 Million. Fair ? I'd rather see the firefighter and the coal miner get more of that money than Johnny Moneybags.
    Or kids with birth defects. Or veterans returning from war missing arms and legs. Or putting people back to work fixing America's crumbling infrastructure. Or securing the Mexican border. Or fighting home-grown terrorism. That's my subjective concept of fair.
    1) wow-one guy who makes a billion on other peoples' money. Obviously he does more than nothing or he wouldn't have clients.

    He is taxed less because of a loophole (which I OPPOSE) that treats his take as capital gains rather than earned income. that is improper IMHO

    2) Firefighters agree to their wages. Howard's take is based on how much he makes for his clients. If your AGREEMENT WITH ME is I get 10% of what ever I make for you and I make you a million my commission would be 100k If this guy is good enough to manage 10 Billion in assets and he increases the value be a billion he's gonna make alot of money

    3) your concept of fair is emotobabble that has no relevance to the market or anything else objective for that matter.



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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by SirPwn4lot View Post
    Seems to me that if you're not getting unemployment benefits you have no business suggesting others should get benefits or be opposed to it.
    that's rather stupid if the guy you responded to is paying taxes that fund it



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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Protectionist View Post
    FALSE ! Every American citizen has a right to voice an opinion (1st Amendment). What amount of tax one pays has nothing to do with it.
    some of us argue that there should be no representation without taxation. or that people who don't pay taxes should have no say about how much others pay in taxes. You can voice all the opinions you want. but its like not paying membership dues to a club and saying you ought to have a say in how the club spends its money.



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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Protectionist View Post
    The only "hate" I perceive in this thread is coming from you TurtleDude, against those who are opposed to extending the tax cuts for the rich. I don't see people hating the rich. They (myself included) just want things to be fair and proper. Bush made them unfair and unproper, and that should not be confirmed and continued, that's all.
    Frankly, I think the super rich who want the tax cuts extended (this may be a small minority of them) are more sick with greed and a detachment from reality where wealth is concerned, than any sort of malice that would cause people to hate them.
    I also don't think it's envy. If I had hundreds of millions of dollars ( what could I do with all that ?), I'd give most of it away to deserving poor Americans. In fact, I did do that, in a way when I owned my own business, and paid my sales reps commissions equivalent to $150/hour.
    saying that the rich don't pay enough or need to pay more is based on hate. If you claim that only the rich should have tax hikes you harbor dislike of the rich. What did Bush make unfair? do you know that under Bush the rich paid the highest percentage of the federal income tax burden in history. The Rich carries 40% of the federal income share now. .

    YOu whine about the super rich yet your masters' schemes target people making between 200k to a million a year-hardly the super rich but those are the people who are going to get hit the hardest especially if they say built a business then sold it and live off of dividend income. some of those people could see their tax payments DOUBLE so sloths and slackers can continue to pay too little and use lots of government services.



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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It would be silly to poll the public on the question of "Do you favor raising taxes at this time?". Nobody is discussing raising taxes. That has already been done by the 107th Congress and signed into law by former President Bush. Its a done deal. Finished. In place. Its the law.
    So taxes won't go up if we do nothing?
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I think there is a good chance keeping the taxes where they are may create jobs. Raising them will probably lose jobs.
    On the other hand extending the unemployment benefits will probably do more harm than good.
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    ohhhh REALLLLY!?!?!? So putting money in peoples hands that have little to NONE would be BAD for the economy??? Lets see..... losing my apartment or someones house is good for the rental property / banks? Good for the utilities that provide service? Good for the stores where they could buy something? Good for the local gov'ts because they lose tax money?

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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    ohhhh REALLLLY!?!?!? So putting money in peoples hands that have little to NONE would be BAD for the economy??? Lets see..... losing my apartment or someones house is good for the rental property / banks? Good for the utilities that provide service? Good for the stores where they could buy something? Good for the local gov'ts because they lose tax money?

    Give me a BREAK woman!!!!
    so you support income redistribution

    that must be part of the libertarian platform I missed when I was part of Ed Clark's campaign 30 years ago



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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    ohhhh REALLLLY!?!?!? So putting money in peoples hands that have little to NONE would be BAD for the economy??? Lets see..... losing my apartment or someones house is good for the rental property / banks? Good for the utilities that provide service? Good for the stores where they could buy something? Good for the local gov'ts because they lose tax money?

    Give me a BREAK woman!!!!
    What is the threshold where you would stop extending the Unemployment Benefits? 2 years? 3 years? 10 years?

    Not to sound judgmental, but if someone cannot find a job in 2 years I am suspicious about just how hard they are looking....


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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    some of us argue that there should be no representation without taxation. or that people who don't pay taxes should have no say about how much others pay in taxes. You can voice all the opinions you want. but its like not paying membership dues to a club and saying you ought to have a say in how the club spends its money.
    NO. Actually its like exercising your rights as an American citizen.
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