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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Protectionist View Post
    It is more about spreading the wealth so incomes are more equal. Yes. There still could be stratification of incomes but not to the ludicrous degree that that are in today's out of control "system".
    What exactly is fair or right about taking one person's money to give to another just to make their incomes equal?
    This country is about equal opportunity not economic justice, or whatever un-American term you want to put on it.
    Equal opportunity, not equal outcomes.
    The only thing out of control is some of the ludicrous ideas people have about what is yours is not really yours if you have more than I do. Then some of yours is actually mine so we can have equal stuff.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    What exactly is fair or right about taking one person's money to give to another just to make their incomes equal?
    This country is about equal opportunity not economic justice, or whatever un-American term you want to put on it.
    Equal opportunity, not equal outcomes.
    The only thing out of control is some of the ludicrous ideas people have about what is yours is not really yours if you have more than I do. Then some of yours is actually mine so we can have equal stuff.
    except nobody is saying that or advocating that, are they? i think you've been watching too much tv.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

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    That was the idea with the banks, but it didn't work so well...
    btw, if sailing is like sex to these people, they are doing it wrong.....
    oh no, you're wrong. a long slow sail is like.......well, use your imagination.

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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    We took several hits, starting with the Enron era, then the dotcom era, but luckily missed the current one....
    My wife is a retired teacher, and many of her teacher friends had/have educated professionals as spouses. Those who were involved with finance didn't seem to be any better prepared than the rest of us. When the fertilizer hit the ventilator, they got splattered.
    I may have been poorly educated/employed compared to them, but I am also paranoid about money. Turns out that a bit of paranoia is healthy when it comes to finances...
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    We took several hits, starting with the Enron era, then the dotcom era, but luckily missed the current one....
    My wife is a retired teacher, and many of her teacher friends had/have educated professionals as spouses. Those who were involved with finance didn't seem to be any better prepared than the rest of us. When the fertilizer hit the ventilator, they got splattered.
    I may have been poorly educated/employed compared to them, but I am also paranoid about money. Turns out that a bit of paranoia is healthy when it comes to finances...
    Sounds like you come from northeast Houston. LOL!

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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    What exactly is fair or right about taking one person's money to give to another just to make their incomes equal?
    This country is about equal opportunity not economic justice, or whatever un-American term you want to put on it.
    Equal opportunity, not equal outcomes.
    The only thing out of control is some of the ludicrous ideas people have about what is yours is not really yours if you have more than I do. Then some of yours is actually mine so we can have equal stuff.
    agree, equal outcomes are impossible.....but, You don't want economic justice? Equal opportunity is the foundation of economic justice....
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    agree, equal outcomes are impossible.....but, You don't want economic justice? Equal opportunity is the foundation of economic justice....
    Cast your pearls elsewhere brother.

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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    We took several hits, starting with the Enron era, then the dotcom era, but luckily missed the current one....
    My wife is a retired teacher, and many of her teacher friends had/have educated professionals as spouses. Those who were involved with finance didn't seem to be any better prepared than the rest of us. When the fertilizer hit the ventilator, they got splattered.
    I may have been poorly educated/employed compared to them, but I am also paranoid about money. Turns out that a bit of paranoia is healthy when it comes to finances...
    we don't have a lot saved. my husband has a pension, which we will live on while we sail, and then we can tap into my 401 and ira when we are too old to sail. i'm 51, i could keep working, but what the hell? we don't want to live our lives thinking about what we will do later, i'd rather do now and worry about later, later. we've seen too many people work their asses off, retire, and die.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Protectionist View Post
    I agree totally. Now let's get back on the subject I was talking about. Those who are "smart" and don't work hard, while they let their employees do the hard work, should have income taken from them (notice I didn't refer to it as "their"), because they have simply manipulated money and people to enrich themselves, at the expense of everyone else in the society, who, unlike these lazy smart aleks, have been working hard, including the employees of these rich business owners.
    This also improves the work ethic, by getting money (reward) into the pockets of those who actually worked for it (while their big boss was out on his fishing boat or the golf course). Get it ?
    College professors are smart, they don't do physical labor, yet they get paid very well. They don't even create jobs, so I think they should have to share their pay with the janitor so both paychecks are equal. The janitor works his butt off moping floors, and cleaning toilets.
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