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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    YES YES YES=It was being discussed constantly on various political talk shows-left and right.
    Talk shows???? Talk Shows!!!!!! TALK SHOWS!?!?!?!?!? You are freaking kidding all of us, right?

    You throw around a term which attempts to disenfranchise tens of millions of people in this land and you cannot even point to a working definition of that term. I am shocked and horrified at your complete lack of intellectual honesty.



    I have looked and can find nothing. I do not even think this concept exists outside of some ideological belief by you and your fellow travelers.

    I ask you again to find and provide the appropriate evidence of just what it is, how the calculations are made in making this determination, and all other relevant facts needed to examine the methodology reached in this judgment.

    Otherwise, its just a bunch of ideological BS... and it won't even fertilize my garden.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Talk shows???? Talk Shows!!!!!! TALK SHOWS!?!?!?!?!? You are freaking kidding all of us, right?

    You throw around a term which attempts to disenfranchise tens of millions of people in this land and you cannot even point to a working definition of that term. I am shocked and horrified at your complete lack of intellectual honesty.



    I have looked and can find nothing. I do not even think this concept exists outside of some ideological belief by you and your fellow travelers.

    I ask you again to find and provide the appropriate evidence of just what it is, how the calculations are made in making this determination, and all other relevant facts needed to examine the methodology reached in this judgment.

    Otherwise, its just a bunch of ideological BS... and it won't even fertilize my garden.
    OH THE DRAMA

    I couldn't care less what you think, ANd your constant claims I am not intellectually honest is among the most dishonest things I have seen on this board.

    One thing is true, this country would be better off if people who think like you weren't allowed to vote



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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    OH THE DRAMA

    I couldn't care less what you think, ANd your constant claims I am not intellectually honest is among the most dishonest things I have seen on this board.

    One thing is true, this country would be better off if people who think like you weren't allowed to vote
    So you DO NOT have the information requested about the so called 'net taxpayer' that you claim exist.

    Attacking me, attacking my character, making statements about my right to vote - none of those things magically provide the information requested to support your claim.

    Thank you for making it obvious to everyone that you simply do not have that information which supports your claims and allegations.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Protectionist View Post
    Somehow, I think that if what you call "the current lingo" was actually that, then in over 250 articles that I've had published in my other forum, in over 10,000 comments I've had published there and the verbal exchanges they precipitated, and in over 50,000 comments I've read from other members, somewhere along the line, these oddball words would have shown up. But they didn't. So I guess what I didn't know is your "current lingo". I can live with that.

    Silence of the Lambs is nothing but another 3 1/2 star movie (one among thousands), and there's no necessity for anyone to have seen it, or know anything about it. Frankly, it doesn't have much significance on the grand scale of things as compared to really serious films like "Fitna" and "The Sum of All Fears", and the real-life political stories attached to them.

    As for things cultural that have happened since 1982, well there was the "CONTRACT" (Dec. 1, 1982). Are you aware of that (and all its ramifications) ?

    As for your question : "I'm the one with the misconception", Shoo-wee. Yup. You were the one in these words precisely > "..calling yourself an "independent" so as to claim some kind of objectivity is pretty lame when you post fringist drivel.", whereby you just got it wrong.
    As I said before (and this is the last time I'm going to say it) I wasn't trying to "claim some kind of objectivity". The objectivity is something that comes with being an Independent seperate from party line
    pressures, is established by sacrificing primary voting (not what youcall yourself), and in this case isn't "fringist" at all, since the majority of the American people agree with what I said (that there should not be tax cuts for the rich). Is this sinking in yet ? If not, too bad. I've wasted enough perfectly good time on this. Let's move on.
    Sinking in?

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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    OH THE DRAMA

    I couldn't care less what you think, ANd your constant claims I am not intellectually honest is among the most dishonest things I have seen on this board.

    One thing is true, this country would be better off if people who think like you weren't allowed to vote
    Just provide the information requested on this NET TAXPAYER concept and you can take a step towards proving your intellectual honesty. You use this as a weapon time and time again in thread after thread. So lets see what is behind it. Or is it just a mythical creation of the far right in an attempt to disenfranchise the voters who they do not want to vote?
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Protectionist View Post
    I don't have to say it. The polls already have.
    Only in your fantasy world where people favoring a certain level of tax means they think that rich people's money doesn't belong to them.

    Not very honest, are you?


    As for "Islam isn't a real religion", that's been said by billions of people around the world for 1400 years.
    "Billions"?

    What else is new ? The latest and most prestigious group to say it (link included) is the all-star writer cast of The Center for Security Policy's new book > "Shariah : The Threat To America".

    They are :

    MEMBERS OF TEAM B II
    Team Leaders


    LIEUTENANT GENERAL WILLIAM G. “JERRY” BOYKIN
    US Army (Ret.), former Deputy Undersecretary of
    Defense for Intelligence

    LIEUTENANT GENERAL HARRY EDWARD SOYSTER
    US Army (Ret.), former Director, Defense Intelligence Agency
    Associates

    CHRISTINE BRIM
    Chief Operating Officer, Center for Security Policy

    AMBASSADOR HENRY COOPER
    former Chief Negotiator, Defense and Space Talks, former Director,
    Strategic Defense Initiative

    STEPHEN C. COUGHLIN, ESQ.
    Major (Res.) USA, former Senior Consultant, Office of the Joint Chiefs
    of Staff

    MICHAEL DEL ROSSO
    Senior Fellow, Claremont Institute and Center for Security Policy

    FRANK J. GAFFNEY, JR.
    former Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Policy
    (Acting), President, Center for Security Policy

    JOHN GUANDOLO
    former Special Agent, Counter-Terrorism Division, Federal Bureau of
    Investigation

    BRIAN KENNEDY
    President, Claremont Institute

    CLARE M. LOPEZ
    Senior Fellow, Center for Security Policy

    ADMIRAL JAMES A. “ACE” LYONS
    US Navy (Ret.), former Commander-in-Chief, Pacific Fleet

    ANDREW C. MCCARTHY
    former Chief Assistant U.S. Attorney; Senior Fellow, National Review
    Institute; Contributing Editor, National Review

    PATRICK POOLE
    Consultant to the military and law enforcement on anti-terrorism issues

    JOSEPH E. SCHMITZ
    former Inspector General, Department of Defense

    TOM TRENTO
    Executive Director, Florida Security Council

    J. MICHAEL WALLER
    Annenberg Professor of International Communication, Institute
    of World Politics, and Vice President for Information Operations,
    Center for Security Policy

    DIANA WEST
    author and columnist

    R. JAMES WOOLSEY
    former Director of Central Intelligence

    DAVID YERUSHALMI, ESQ.
    General Counsel to the Center for Security Policy

    And here's a copy paste from 2 different pages of the book where they say it :

    On page 30 > "Today, we are facing an internal threat that has masked itself as a religion (my emphasis) and that uses the tolerance for religious practice guaranteed by the Constitution’s First Amendment to parry efforts to restrict or prevent what amount to seditious activities".

    Again, on Page 229 (and the title of Chapter 7) > "THE U.S. AND WESTERN VULNERABILITIES
    TO A THREAT MASQUERADING AS A RELIGION.............229"


    http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.o...2009302010.pdf
    OK, first of all, you didn't read your own quote very well, and second, even if you did, a dozen people out of 7 billion would, indeed, constitute . . . well, not even a fringe.


    As for the militant veganism, those are your words not mine.
    No, you're just moved to desire to do violence over it. Those were indeed your words.


    I'm not really militant about being a vegetarian, but if all vegetarians were "fringe", that would be a heck of a good fringe.
    Don't backpedal; you call yourself a vegan, not a mere "vegetarian," and vegans don't even rate 1% of the population. That's as fringe as fringe gets.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What does any of that have to do with the quote you reproduced from me asking for supporting evidence behind claims and allegations of fact?
    Guess you are going to have to determine for yourself why businesses are moving to TX and why the population is growing here. Let me give you another hint, it isn't illegals as you indicated. Apparently in the liberal world taxes have little affect on economic decisions. After spending 35 years in the business world I know for a fact taxes play a major role in economic decision making. Taxes add to the costs and if those costs cannot be passed on to the consumer, businesses lose business, lose jobs, and negatively impact the economy.

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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Guess you are going to have to determine for yourself why businesses are moving to TX and why the population is growing here. Let me give you another hint, it isn't illegals as you indicated. Apparently in the liberal world taxes have little affect on economic decisions. After spending 35 years in the business world I know for a fact taxes play a major role in economic decision making. Taxes add to the costs and if those costs cannot be passed on to the consumer, businesses lose business, lose jobs, and negatively impact the economy.
    What was it in the news lately about Texas having a budget shortfall of an estimated 11 to 14 BILLION dollars in the current budget? How would Texans feel about the governor proposing increased sales taxes, or god forbid, INCOME taxes, for Texas to make up the difference so Texas can have a balanced budget? Or does Texas still have enough oil sales to preclude an Income Tax?
    With all the bad weather lately, record rains in California, record snowfall in the northeastern states, Texas might pick up some more businesses.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    What was it in the news lately about Texas having a budget shortfall of an estimated 11 to 14 BILLION dollars in the current budget? How would Texans feel about the governor proposing increased sales taxes, or god forbid, INCOME taxes, for Texas to make up the difference so Texas can have a balanced budget? Or does Texas still have enough oil sales to preclude an Income Tax?
    With all the bad weather lately, record rains in California, record snowfall in the northeastern states, Texas might pick up some more businesses.
    texas is perfect.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    texas is perfect.
    Most of my siblings live there, but I won't blame Texas for harboring ignorant people.
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