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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Protectionist View Post
    So it never occured to you that "trickle down" is a laughingstock.
    Yes... when I was an ignorant socialist.

    Today...No... this country was created by trickle down. Liberty. Low taxation. Freedom from government oppression. Before Reagan came in the world was talking about American demise, in terms worse than today. Stagflation was a common term... double digit inflation and interest rates. The Misery Index was a common term too.

    Strange headline for the NY Times... but read the text...
    America's Not Weak
    June 05, 1980

    SAN ANTONIO--Maybe it is just Presidential fever that is imposing a national inferiority complex on this country. We are barraged daily by declarations of our national weakness and impending demise.

    http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstra...DE405B8084F1D3
    Or this:
    http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...4931%2C2857402


    Thanks to Reagan we had 28-years of tremendous growth... but entitlements, Freddie & Fannie... socialist government intrusion is burdening the nation.
    Bush tried it by lowering taxes in 2003. Since then, the US economy has been struggling (partly also because of Bush's terrible immigration policies, now being continued, if not worsened, by Obama).
    Thise who fail to learn history are bound to repeat it... or at least come across as an ignoramus.

    Simple fact is, when you put money in poor people's hands (the Have-Nots), they go to the stores (AKA the economy) and buy all the things that they "Have-Not", stimulating the economy. That's what happens when taxes are (as you call it), "punitive".
    Fact is... when there is low unemployment, businesses compete for workers, people pay more in taxes to the government at lower rates, the government has to pay less out, AND there become jobs that Americans won't do!!! Assisting neighboring economies run by corrupt governments.

    You put money into rich people's hands (the Haves), and they don't go to the stores to buy all the things they already "Have". In addition, when rich people do spend their money, they spend a much higher % of it OUTSIDE the country, where it does no good to the country's economy, and in fact, worsens it by removing cash from it. Great for Europe and the Caribbean, huh ?
    People will look to move companies and hide wealth when the government is oppressive. When it's not oppressive, doesn't punish the wealthy... you get more activity.

    Why do governments tax smokes and spirits at high rates? To discourage the activity. The same goes when you try to sock it to the bright folks with money. In fact, many will pay $2.00 to avoid paying $1.00 in taxes.

    Did you miss what happened when people try to sock it to the wealthy? The folks down the line get screwed. Any time you hear the government say they want to help, or assist you... replace "help" or "assist" with screw, and you have an accurate picture of the end result.

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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post

    this country was created by trickle down.
    I thought it was created by redistributing the wealth of the indigenous population by giving it to invading Europeans and their descendants.

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    I thought it was created by redistributing the wealth of the indigenous population by giving it to invading Europeans and their descendants.
    Which wealth was that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Which wealth was that?
    All of it, or nearly. Most specifically the rights to access of land and other natural resources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just1Voice View Post
    All of it, or nearly. Most specifically the rights to access of land and other natural resources.
    Right, because all of the land was taken from the "natives" with all of the cities, buildings, roads, infrastructure, industry, and all other forms of wealth already fully intact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Right, because all of the land was taken from the "natives" with all of the cities, buildings, roads, infrastructure, industry, and all other forms of wealth already fully intact.
    None of those things would exist without the resources which were stolen to make them. The point I am making is that it is ridiculous to claim that the country was built through pure capitalism and trickle down economics. We all know the government parceled out the land to settlers in what is probably the greatest redistribution of wealth in the history of humanity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just1Voice View Post
    None of those things would exist without the resources which were stolen to make them. The point I am making is that it is ridiculous to claim that the country was built through pure capitalism and trickle down economics. We all know the government parceled out the land to settlers in what is probably the greatest redistribution of wealth in the history of humanity.
    And it would all still be wilderness otherwise, worth pretty much nothing. You're talking about "wealth" -- and not just "resources," but "all or most" of the "wealth." My house is worth a hell of a lot more than the sum of the raw materials and the plot of land. Why is that, exactly? Hint: the answer to that question is key to why your claim just doesn't hold water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You're talking about "wealth" -- and not just "resources," but "all or most" of the "wealth."
    The "all or most" I am referring to is the wealth held by the indigenous population, not what it was transformed into later. I am not making a claim that the current wealth we hold now is still that same amount of wealth.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    My house is worth a hell of a lot more than the sum of the raw materials and the plot of land. Why is that, exactly? Hint: the answer to that question is key to why your claim just doesn't hold water.
    Are you absolutely sure of that? The value of real estate, as we have been learning recently, is determined in a relatively arbitrary manner. Perhaps you can make that claim about your own home, but there are a lot of other folks living here in the U.S. who are now being told that their home is not, in fact worth as much as the materials it is made from.

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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Just1Voice View Post
    The "all or most" I am referring to is the wealth held by the indigenous population, not what it was transformed into later. I am not making a claim that the current wealth we hold now is still that same amount of wealth.
    Funny; you were talking about the country being "built," so I don't see how you weren't. The wealth in the country now is unimaginably more than there was when the country was founded, and by that I mean within the borders as they exist now. Why? Because things were BUILT with the resources, not simply because the resources were there.


    Are you absolutely sure of that?
    Without a shred of doubt.


    The value of real estate, as we have been learning recently, is determined in a relatively arbitrary manner. Perhaps you can make that claim about your own home, but there are a lot of other folks living here in the U.S. who are now being told that their home is not, in fact worth as much as the materials it is made from.
    Like who? Besides, it doesn't matter; it's not about any specific house; it's about the concept.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    OK, fine. You "proclaim" to have done exactly what it is I said you did, and that you got butthurt over me saying.
    I didn't get "butthurt" (another one of your commonly known message board words ?). I just wanted to correct the misperception that you created about being an Independent.

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