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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

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    What load of crap. It reminds me of when the manure truck spilled out on Biffs car in BACK TO THE FUTURE.

    People who use words like RETARDS have no business criticizing others. No business at all. You have disgraced yourself beyond redemption.

    I want others to simply pay their share of taxes to have a decent America for all Americans. And you call that greed? Its a strange world you inhabit there in the Turtle McMansion.

    Zimmer - that little skit from a bad situation comedy was not even funny.

    Or relevant.
    You admitted to being a dem party activist. By definition that means you want dems to win elections. How do dems win elections>? they demonize the rich by promising to afflict the comfortable while making the wealthy pay more taxes to fund the giveaways they promise to their minions.

    Retards can mean many things. People who spawn like rabbits with multiple partners are 'retards' people who drop out of school because they are spawning like rabbits or doing drugs are retards in my book as well.

    The top 1%, the top 2% and the top 5% pay more than their share of the taxes. If y ou consider their fair share whatever the bottom 90% say it should be I reject that as bullcrap.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

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    You admitted to being a dem party activist. By definition that means you want dems to win elections. How do dems win elections>? they demonize the rich by promising to afflict the comfortable while making the wealthy pay more taxes to fund the giveaways they promise to their minions.
    What you do in these rants is set up a ridiculous situation that makes sense to you and perhaps some of your fellow True Believers because you have accepted certain axioms of right wing ideology.

    Let me allow you to peek behind the Democratic campaign curtain to show you what is really back there. As I have told you, I have worked for Democratic candidates in state races in my state. I offer advice, sometimes for a fee, sometimes for free. I help put on one or two day workshops for candidates in a crash course on how to run a campaign. I recently managed a campaign for a State Rep seat and in two weeks will become Chief of Staff in that office. The Rep I will be working for has already been given the task of joining with a more experienced legislator to help take back the state House. As such, part of my duties will be to help plan the drive to return the Dems to a majority in the State House in two years. It will involve selecting districts we believe we can win back, recruiting candidates we believe can win and raising money to assist them. Think of what Rahm Emanuel did on a national level in 2006 and 2008 and that is the same job I will be participating in.

    If I showed you all the campaign literature we produced, and I wrote most of it myself, there is not one single word in there about taxing the rich or demonizing the rich or promising people more government services and allowing others to pay the bill for them.
    Nothing. Not one word. Zip. Zilch. Nada. And this is in a district within a major city with some highly impoverished areas where somebody like you would tell us that a "soak the rich" message would be well received.

    We ran against eight other candidates in the Democratic primary and not one had any type of "soak the rich" message. Not one. And several were far to the left of us.

    In advising other candidates, I have never advised anyone to use a "soak the rich" campaign, even as a minor plank in a larger platform. That is reality. That is fact. That is how things are done in the real world of Democratic Party politics. That is not how we win elections. Not by any stretch of the imagination does it figure in to our politics.

    If anyone is guilty of demonization, it is you. Over and over and over again, you trot out the same old talking points about your wealth, about your status, about your ivy league background, about you family, about your occupation and you see the Democratic Party as the enemy of all that. You have worked yourself into such a state of delusion and paranoia that you actually believe the ridiculous falsehoods that you write here every day.

    The issue of taxation is a complex one and good and decent people can differ about it. Economists of vast experience and knowledge differ on the issue. But in your case, your position on taxation is motivated and driven by only one factor - how it impacts you as an individual. That is your sole motivation which propels you to embrace the radical right wing ideas you embrace like connecting the vote to paying of income tax. Just look at the poll conducted right here on this website where your idea was put forth before people. Of those who voted for either of the two main options, 50 people voted AGAINST your idea while only 4 voted FOR it. And if you read carefully one of those said they voted for it by mistake. And there are lots of conservatives here... well beyond a mere four.

    I think you are so quick to accuse others of greed because you recognize it as your own major motivation. You conclude that as you operate so must others operate. You fail to recognize what you have been told time after time by many different posters here - they do not want your money for themselves, they only want to see a workable and sustainable society for all Americans. But since you have no interest in either, you reject such thinking as foreign and conclude that your own greed must motivate them as it does you.

    As to your use of the word RETARDS.
    Retards can mean many things. People who spawn like rabbits with multiple partners are 'retards' people who drop out of school because they are spawning like rabbits or doing drugs are retards in my book as well.


    Now you dig the hole deeper and I would guess that with you there is no bottom in sight. You have placed that bet and lost and now are going to double the next one. Its your funeral. No thinking individual in this age uses such words anymore outside of cretins, jerks and just plain fools. You have exposed your lack of character to all here to see with such a slur. You could quickly apologize for the slur. You could promise to avoid such a slur in the future. But you will not.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Protectionist View Post
    Absolutely, it speaks for itself, but not for "self-ownage" (whatever that's supposed to be). Creating a new language as you go along, are you ?


    I'll let you figure out why. New to message boards, are we?


    As for "party affiliation", yes you did. you've been talking about me being an Independent all along. What do you think that word means ? My voter ID card reads "NPA" - that stands for No Party Affiliation AKA Independent (as if you didn't know). And you don't prove it because of what you say. You prove it by how you register to vote. Man, don't you ever get anything right ???????
    Any more tutoring here, and I'm going to have to start charging you ($5/word). Bwa ha ha ha (Burt Reynolds laugh)
    No, I've been talking about your self-proclaimed "Independent view." To wit:

    Not hard to see who telling the truth here, and who's not. (View of the Independent.)
    As in, as I said very clearly earlier, a claim to some kind of objectivity. Yet you post fringist cliche-left drivel not in the least implied by what you were responding to.

    Which wasn't that difficult to follow, really, unless your mission is obfuscation.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post


    I'll let you figure out why. New to message boards, are we?




    No, I've been talking about your self-proclaimed "Independent view." To wit:



    As in, as I said very clearly earlier, a claim to some kind of objectivity. Yet you post fringist cliche-left drivel not in the least implied by what you were responding to.

    Which wasn't that difficult to follow, really, unless your mission is obfuscation.
    No, not new to message boards at all. Been doing it for 5 years. And haven't seen (in 3 forums) some of these goofball not-in-the dictionary-either words of yours. Speak English, OK ?

    You've been talking about just what I said you were talking about.

    As you said very clearly earlier, a claim to some kind of objectivity. And as I said very clearly earlier, that's right I most certainly do make that claim, and I make it again now. Only difference between us is, I'm aware of why/how I make the claim, and what substantiates it, you're not.
    Don't bother claiming that you are. That would simply add more to what I just said.

    As for "fringist", I've already shot that down twice. Glutton for punishment ? What are you a masochist or something ? Bwa ha ha ha.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Protectionist View Post
    No, not new to message boards at all. Been doing it for 5 years. And haven't seen (in 3 forums) some of these goofball not-in-the dictionary-either words of yours. Speak English, OK ?
    What, "self-ownage"? You've been on message boards for 5 years and you've never seen it?

    It's you who needs to get hip to the lingo. Get with the times.


    You've been talking about just what I said you were talking about.

    As you said very clearly earlier, a claim to some kind of objectivity. And as I said very clearly earlier, that's right I most certainly do make that claim, and I make it again now. Only difference between us is, I'm aware of why/how I make the claim, and what substantiates it, you're not.
    Don't bother claiming that you are. That would simply add more to what I just said.

    As for "fringist", I've already shot that down twice. Glutton for punishment ? What are you a masochist or something ? Bwa ha ha ha.
    Yes. You make a claim to "objectivity" simply because you call yourself an Independent. I mean, my God, it's right ther on your voter card; how can you NOT be objective?

    This exactly is what I said, yet for some reason you got all butthurt about it. I mean, you're admitting it here; so why are you bothering to argue with me?

    As for "shooting down," you cherry-picked your own strawman.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
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    What you do in these rants is set up a ridiculous situation that makes sense to you and perhaps some of your fellow True Believers because you have accepted certain axioms of right wing ideology.

    Let me allow you to peek behind the Democratic campaign curtain to show you what is really back there. As I have told you, I have worked for Democratic candidates in state races in my state. I offer advice, sometimes for a fee, sometimes for free. I help put on one or two day workshops for candidates in a crash course on how to run a campaign. I recently managed a campaign for a State Rep seat and in two weeks will become Chief of Staff in that office. The Rep I will be working for has already been given the task of joining with a more experienced legislator to help take back the state House. As such, part of my duties will be to help plan the drive to return the Dems to a majority in the State House in two years. It will involve selecting districts we believe we can win back, recruiting candidates we believe can win and raising money to assist them. Think of what Rahm Emanuel did on a national level in 2006 and 2008 and that is the same job I will be participating in.

    If I showed you all the campaign literature we produced, and I wrote most of it myself, there is not one single word in there about taxing the rich or demonizing the rich or promising people more government services and allowing others to pay the bill for them.
    Nothing. Not one word. Zip. Zilch. Nada. And this is in a district within a major city with some highly impoverished areas where somebody like you would tell us that a "soak the rich" message would be well received.

    We ran against eight other candidates in the Democratic primary and not one had any type of "soak the rich" message. Not one. And several were far to the left of us.

    In advising other candidates, I have never advised anyone to use a "soak the rich" campaign, even as a minor plank in a larger platform. That is reality. That is fact. That is how things are done in the real world of Democratic Party politics. That is not how we win elections. Not by any stretch of the imagination does it figure in to our politics.

    If anyone is guilty of demonization, it is you. Over and over and over again, you trot out the same old talking points about your wealth, about your status, about your ivy league background, about you family, about your occupation and you see the Democratic Party as the enemy of all that. You have worked yourself into such a state of delusion and paranoia that you actually believe the ridiculous falsehoods that you write here every day.

    The issue of taxation is a complex one and good and decent people can differ about it. Economists of vast experience and knowledge differ on the issue. But in your case, your position on taxation is motivated and driven by only one factor - how it impacts you as an individual. That is your sole motivation which propels you to embrace the radical right wing ideas you embrace like connecting the vote to paying of income tax. Just look at the poll conducted right here on this website where your idea was put forth before people. Of those who voted for either of the two main options, 50 people voted AGAINST your idea while only 4 voted FOR it. And if you read carefully one of those said they voted for it by mistake. And there are lots of conservatives here... well beyond a mere four.

    I think you are so quick to accuse others of greed because you recognize it as your own major motivation. You conclude that as you operate so must others operate. You fail to recognize what you have been told time after time by many different posters here - they do not want your money for themselves, they only want to see a workable and sustainable society for all Americans. But since you have no interest in either, you reject such thinking as foreign and conclude that your own greed must motivate them as it does you.

    As to your use of the word RETARDS.




    Now you dig the hole deeper and I would guess that with you there is no bottom in sight. You have placed that bet and lost and now are going to double the next one. Its your funeral. No thinking individual in this age uses such words anymore outside of cretins, jerks and just plain fools. You have exposed your lack of character to all here to see with such a slur. You could quickly apologize for the slur. You could promise to avoid such a slur in the future. But you will not.
    So many words, such oozing nonsense. I have no need to apologize. I couldn't care less if that term bothers you. Why does it? I would even concede you are no retard.

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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    What, "self-ownage"? You've been on message boards for 5 years and you've never seen it?

    It's you who needs to get hip to the lingo. Get with the times.




    Yes. You make a claim to "objectivity" simply because you call yourself an Independent. I mean, my God, it's right ther on your voter card; how can you NOT be objective?

    This exactly is what I said, yet for some reason you got all butthurt about it. I mean, you're admitting it here; so why are you bothering to argue with me?

    As for "shooting down," you cherry-picked your own strawman.
    I did not "admit" anything. I proclaimed it. "Admit" infers wrongdoing. That's in your head, not mine. I consider that being an Independent (not just calling oneself that) is a worthwhile thing. You forgo the primaries, but you are free of the ropes that the parties have that bind you to positions you don't support. So, you make up your own mind, and state your positions on the issues as you see fit, not some party bosses. It's great. Try it, you'll like it.

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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    OK, fine. You "proclaim" to have done exactly what it is I said you did, and that you got butthurt over me saying.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    So many words, such oozing nonsense. I have no need to apologize. I couldn't care less if that term bothers you. Why does it? I would even concede you are no retard.

    Remember what the Great Patti Smith said about sins?
    And the biggest bit of "oozing nonsense" in that post is your defense of the word RETARD. See, I told you that you would keep digging deeper. Its pathological with you and you cannot help it no matter even if you tried.

    Nice attempt at playing ostrich and pretending not to have read the utter and complete refutation of your lame attack on Dems. Its really a big bite in your rich behind when the actual truth gets in the way of your belief system.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Your 2 points contradict each other. Bottom line is Republicans dont want to help pull their weight. They DONT want to be a team player. And the majority of Republicans rarely work nearly as hard as others. Ive seen it. I lived it. Boil it down and Republicans are greedy children that dont want to play ball. They dont want to help others SOOOOOOOO the government will FORCE Republicans to help out the rest of the Nation. Sad but true. They arent team players.


    And this comment:


    Is 100% ignorant. So you think their money goes to pot heads??? And whats this Joe 6-pack ****? Sounds like youve got one twisted view of reality making those comments. PLUS you think low income people DONT bust their ass???? You really need to stop voting until you understand life and reality.
    I complety disagree with you, but have a question.
    Poor people who can't work or low income working people should be helped in my opinion. However, why should the wealthy be responsible for helping everyone else on top of helping the poor? Maybe taxes should be raised on everyone except for the poor. Would you be up for that or is it more about spreading the wealth so incomes are more equal?
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