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    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Hardly the point. Anyone is welcome to try to change things as they feel appropriate. Here, I thought "love it or leave it" was a scandalous thing said to noble peace marchers in the '60s.
    For many it should be the point.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Its a good thing that the people who created this nation were not so fixated and risk adverse.


    You'd have told them "if you don't like it, you're free to leave." I mean, they did revolt over tax issues and everything . . .
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    For many it should be the point.
    You are not the arbiter of these things. We each of us get to decide for ourselves. Your opnion, while noted, is meaningless to my self-determination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You are not the arbiter of these things. We each of us get to decide for ourselves. Your opnion, while noted, is meaningless to my self-determination.
    as are the opinions of you and everyone else here and on every message board in the land .... but I thought you knew that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    as are the opinions of you and everyone else here and on every message board in the land .... but I thought you knew that.
    You set yourself up as the determinant of what people should think. I don't do that.

    What "should be the point" is up to the individual. They don't exist to service you. If you can convince them, then so be it, but if not, too bad.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I guess its just me then....... and the others who have told you the same damn thing. Lots of folks have told you this but you are blind to it.

    We happen to live in a nation which is a democratic republic. Anytime you feel the great unwashed threaten your caviar stash with their vote and their demands on your money you know that there are no walls keeping you here and other nations may welcome you.
    well I am glad you spew that bit about "caviar"

    it sort of clashes with your denials here

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    And how many times have you levied this same baseless allegation at either myself or others who advocate a progressive income tax policy only to be told

    1- we do not envy you but are very happy with who we are
    2- people like us already are paying for our government services thank you, and many of us are indeed successful and pay for more than what we get in return but we are accepting of that as a price we pay for a civilized and progressive society
    3- the rich do have wealth that can be taxed in a far more progressive manner than the current rates

    Of course, you will ignore this reply as you do with the many that have gone before it instead pretending to wallow in the self imposed delusion that we are all ragamuffin street urchins who dream each night about getting in to the Turtle McMansion and doing swan dives off the diamond encrusted high board into the Olympic sized swimming pool filled with $100 bills.

    That feeds into you own self image and you do rather enjoy it.



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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You set yourself up as the determinant of what people should think. I don't do that.

    What "should be the point" is up to the individual. They don't exist to service you. If you can convince them, then so be it, but if not, too bad.
    He thinks that people who become wealthy owe much of that to people like him.



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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    He thinks that people who become wealthy owe much of that to people like him.
    He also thinks that the thing we should be thankful for living in the US is government services, and that "freedom" is a meaningless bumper-sticker slogan.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well I am glad you spew that bit about "caviar"

    it sort of clashes with your denials here
    I would guess that you had a point somewhere in your head that you wanted to make with these comments. i have no doubt that it made some kind of sense to you, somehow, someway at least a little bit. Sadly, it did not come across on the screen.

    Are you so oblivious that you do not even recognize when someone is using sarcasm to poke fun at the very pompous image you have crafted for yourself on this message board?
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    He also thinks that the thing we should be thankful for living in the US is government services, and that "freedom" is a meaningless bumper-sticker slogan.
    The sad truth is that words like FREEDOM and LIBERTY have indeed become bumper sticker cliches used by people just like the both of you and many others here to attempt to advance a radical agenda that would destroy much of our nation and its people. That is sad and pathetic. And it comes from an intellectually dishonest ruse adopted by the right wing to attempt to pretend they are all virgins and the rest of us are whores. It is self serving and terribly fraudulent in the extreme.

    Lets be honest here. All this talk of liberty and society and government is a discussion about the margins. No more and no less. Nobody is advocating for total personal liberty without any societal or governmental power or authority. Nobody is advocating for total governmental control with no personal liberty. To pretend otherwise is to try to fool both yourself and everyone else. Its about the margins.
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