Page 24 of 74 FirstFirst ... 14222324252634 ... LastLast
Results 231 to 240 of 733

Thread: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

  1. #231
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:58 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    89,951

    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    More lies-and envy, nothing more nothing less. its destructive to allow people like you to demand more and more government and never having to pay for it because the rich don't have enough wealth to fund all the idiotic government people like you clamor for
    And how many times have you levied this same baseless allegation at either myself or others who advocate a progressive income tax policy only to be told

    1- we do not envy you but are very happy with who we are
    2- people like us already are paying for our government services thank you, and many of us are indeed successful and pay for more than what we get in return but we are accepting of that as a price we pay for a civilized and progressive society
    3- the rich do have wealth that can be taxed in a far more progressive manner than the current rates

    Of course, you will ignore this reply as you do with the many that have gone before it instead pretending to wallow in the self imposed delusion that we are all ragamuffin street urchins who dream each night about getting in to the Turtle McMansion and doing swan dives off the diamond encrusted high board into the Olympic sized swimming pool filled with $100 bills.

    That feeds into you own self image and you do rather enjoy it.
    __________________________________________________ _
    There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.... John Rogers

  2. #232
    warrior of the wetlands
    TurtleDude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Ohio
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:49 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    180,715

    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And how many times have you levied this same baseless allegation at either myself or others who advocate a progressive income tax policy only to be told

    1- we do not envy you but are very happy with who we are
    2- people like us already are paying for our government services thank you, and many of us are indeed successful and pay for more than what we get in return but we are accepting of that as a price we pay for a civilized and progressive society
    3- the rich do have wealth that can be taxed in a far more progressive manner than the current rates

    Of course, you will ignore this reply as you do with the many that have gone before it instead pretending to wallow in the self imposed delusion that we are all ragamuffin street urchins who dream each night about getting in to the Turtle McMansion and doing swan dives off the diamond encrusted high board into the Olympic sized swimming pool filled with $100 bills.

    That feeds into you own self image and you do rather enjoy it.
    This board crawls with comments directed at the rich suggesting those in the top 2% got their wealth by oppressing the poor, exploiting others etc.

    the only honest argument you and other wealth grabbers have is to claim that the government needs more and more money and the rich are the only ones that can be soaked. Instead we get idiotic justifications that are based on punitive motivations combined with outright lies such as claiming that the 1 percent that pays 40% of the income tax are actually using 40% or more of the government services paid for by the income tax



  3. #233
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:58 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    89,951

    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    This board crawls with comments directed at the rich suggesting those in the top 2% got their wealth by oppressing the poor, exploiting others etc.

    the only honest argument you and other wealth grabbers have is to claim that the government needs more and more money and the rich are the only ones that can be soaked. Instead we get idiotic justifications that are based on punitive motivations combined with outright lies such as claiming that the 1 percent that pays 40% of the income tax are actually using 40% or more of the government services paid for by the income tax
    This board crawls with comments by the defenders of the rich suggesting that they should be immune from the progressive tax system instituted almost a century ago. Those who pretend they are in the upper 2%, their toadies, their sycophants and they just plain wannabes, are participating in a wealth grab of unprecedented proportions not seen since the evils of the Gilded Age.

    And yet again, for a time beyond calculation or count, you continue in the self imposed delusion that paying taxes is akin to shopping at Costco where you fill your cart with only what you want to purchase and then settle up at the register. Apparently they missed that civics lesson at your prep school.
    __________________________________________________ _
    There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.... John Rogers

  4. #234
    free market communist
    Gardener's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Last Seen
    09-30-17 @ 12:27 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    26,661

    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Well, at least we can agree that the board is crawling.

    I prefer to run with things, myself.
    "you're better off on Stormfront discussing how evil brown men are taking innocent white flowers." Infinite Chaos

  5. #235
    warrior of the wetlands
    TurtleDude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Ohio
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:49 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    180,715

    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    This board crawls with comments by the defenders of the rich suggesting that they should be immune from the progressive tax system instituted almost a century ago. Those who pretend they are in the upper 2%, their toadies, their sycophants and they just plain wannabes, are participating in a wealth grab of unprecedented proportions not seen since the evils of the Gilded Age.

    And yet again, for a time beyond calculation or count, you continue in the self imposed delusion that paying taxes is akin to shopping at Costco where you fill your cart with only what you want to purchase and then settle up at the register. Apparently they missed that civics lesson at your prep school.
    trying to defend the abomination and power grab known as the progressive tax system based purely on time is akin to justifying slavery or discrimination based on the same reason. It was a power grab designed by dems to use quantity of voters to gain power over those who actually contribute the most. THe rest of your psychobabbling is nothing more than your OPINION on how the government should be run-my views are in line with those who made this country great-your opinion is in line with those who have tried to turn this nation into a eurosocialist welfare state



  6. #236
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:58 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    89,951

    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    trying to defend the abomination and power grab known as the progressive tax system based purely on time is akin to justifying slavery or discrimination based on the same reason. It was a power grab designed by dems to use quantity of voters to gain power over those who actually contribute the most. THe rest of your psychobabbling is nothing more than your OPINION on how the government should be run-my views are in line with those who made this country great-your opinion is in line with those who have tried to turn this nation into a eurosocialist welfare state
    Are you attempting to justify slavery and discrimination? Or is that just empty rhetoric which serves no actual purpose? I guess its option #2.

    You have no actual knowledge of history or the actual record. There was bipartisan support for the Progressive Income Tax and members of both parties voted for it on every level. The fathers of the 16th Amendment were both Republicans - Senators Norris Brown of Nebraska and Nelson Aldrich of New York. You really need to learn your history before you go popping off about Democratic power grabs which have no basis in historical fact.

    And my views are based on the reality of the situation accepting the progressive income tax and the expansion of the franchise as part of the law of the land. Those are as American as apple pie and motherhood and have been so for a long long time now.
    Last edited by haymarket; 12-17-10 at 10:35 AM.
    __________________________________________________ _
    There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.... John Rogers

  7. #237
    warrior of the wetlands
    TurtleDude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Ohio
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:49 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    180,715

    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Are you attempting to justify slavery and discrimination? Or is that just empty rhetoric which serves no actual purpose? I guess its option #2.

    You have no actual knowledge of history or the actual record. There was bipartisan support for the Progressive Income Tax and members of both parties voted for it on every level. The fathers of the 16th Amendment were both Republicans - Senators Norris Brown of Nebraska and Nelson Aldrich of New York. You really need to learn your history before you go popping off about Democratic power grabs which have no basis in historical fact.

    And my views are based on the reality of the situation accepting the progressive income tax and the expansion of the franchise as part of the law of the land. Those are as American as apple pie and motherhood and have been so for a long long time now.
    Lets see-you were a high school teacher. I studied labor law, tax law have a masters in labor matters. I also studied the legislative history behind the income tax and when one senator noted that a sales tax would raise more revenue he was told that such a tax would not give congress near the control over the public that an income tax was. Its all about control and your paen to the fact the masses are used to the rich being forced to pay far more than they use is hardly a valid argument in favor of such a scheme. It is the reason why our government is bloated and our deficit is out of control.

    BBL

    rant away



  8. #238
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:58 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    89,951

    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Lets see-you were a high school teacher. I studied labor law, tax law have a masters in labor matters. I also studied the legislative history behind the income tax and when one senator noted that a sales tax would raise more revenue he was told that such a tax would not give congress near the control over the public that an income tax was. Its all about control and your paen to the fact the masses are used to the rich being forced to pay far more than they use is hardly a valid argument in favor of such a scheme. It is the reason why our government is bloated and our deficit is out of control.

    BBL

    rant away
    You should have studied harder Dude. Or perhaps it was the materials you were studying. When you spout off about your paranoid theory that the progressive income tax is a Democratic power grab it ignores the actual history of it and I don't give a flying fig what or where you pretend to have studied anything if you ignore that the fathers of the 16th Amendment WERE TWO REPUBLICANS and Republicans voted for it all over this nation in state legislature after state legislature.

    Of course, such historical reality plays havoc with your paranoid delusions about the Democratic party and the income tax so you dismiss it and fall back on your infamous Ivy League book learning. Excuse us please if we do not swoon or surrender on the spot.

    Once again, you must stick out your chest and proclaim your superiority over those who take a different position than yours. Normally its your vast wealth and economic resources worthy of a Rockefeller that place you on your own imagined pedestal. This time its your vaunted legal education and voluminous research. Gimme a break.
    Last edited by haymarket; 12-17-10 at 10:51 AM.
    __________________________________________________ _
    There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.... John Rogers

  9. #239
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Dunedin, Florida
    Last Seen
    12-24-10 @ 12:48 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    209

    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Well, I've read a ton of Turtle's posts and think I can probably hit the nail squarely as to why. It has nothing about being "one of them", and it is simple to explain logical, and can be explained in two parts.

    Are you seated?

    1. It's merely a matter of what will provide the greatest good to the greatest number of the long term.

    Socialism, with their Madoff Schemes have always failed and will always fail. Just look at the monumental financial mess we have on our hands. The result of socialism run amok.

    The government is too detached, too slow, too corrupted, breeds dependence, and sucks out wads of cash from the hands of individuals... and then they don't even live up to the promises they make. They spend the money and want more, and more, and more!

    Fail.org should have a picture of our Federal Government on page 1, as well as every other Eurosocialist welfare state.

    2. Liberty.

    Money/Possessions are the result of your labor; mental or physical. It can even be from luck... though rarely is so, but who cares... so long as it was legally gained?

    And why is my Turtle's or anyone's wealth subject to limitation by the government through punitive, graduated taxation? Something right out of the Communist Manifesto. Equal is equal. We should all be taxed the same. Someone busting their ass and producing shouldn't be taxed higher than and subsidizing Joe 6-pack, or the local potheads.

    Using the government to act as a conduit to walk into the house or bank account of individuals to steal wealth, only to run it through the government grinder and turn a dollar into 25cents isn't liberating to anyone. It breeds the worst in people. A mentality of looking to government, the thief, to solve your problems, to run your life, and the sickness called class warfare.

    .
    Class warfare is just as much the rich against the poor (and middle class), as it is them against the rich. This whole statement you just made is class warfare against the poor & middle class.
    As Karl Marx once said "All of history is the history of a class struggle". And it continues today every day, every hour. Actually I think it is more the rich making war on the poor, than the other way around, and your statement here now, and those of TurtleDude are part of that.

    Yes, it has everything to do with being one of them. It is greed, pure and simple. The use of government whom you pretend to loathe, but you all don't hesitate to funnel millions of $$$ into the campaign coffers of the government officials of your choice, while fighting against campaign finance reform, so you can keep your legal bribery system intact.

    The trouble with this statement > "Someone busting their ass and producing shouldn't be taxed higher than and subsidizing Joe 6-pack..", is that it is the Joe 6-packs of society who are the ones who are doing the producing and busting their asses. They're the ones who actually do the work to make the money for Jim-mansion. The Joe 6-packs drive the trucks (sometimes on dangerous icy roads), unload the crates, do receiving inspection, sit on boring and often, too speedy assembly lines, and then drive the stuff to the stores. They are security guards, badly underpaid, who work long, boring 12 hour shifts at night. They are coal miners who risk their lives (and sometimes lose them, as do cops and firemen). They are construction workers who often get hurt, and sometimes killed. These are the ones who are "busting their ass", as you put it, not the business owner who go out on the golf course and gets on his cell phone once a week and calls the plant manager to ask how everything's going.

    I have been both an employee for many years, and an employer (owned my own business for 10 years). As an employer, I often felt guilty about having so much freedom, and making so much money, while so many people were really busting their asses, and getting paid peanuts, relatively speaking.

    Your comment is kind of like saying water isn't wet, and trees aren't tall. Yeah, I know it's your culture to keep shoveling all that spin out at us, and Hannity and Beck are out there to keep it going, but I wonder if you have any idea how ridiculous you look and sound. BTW, I'm not a Democrat, and I do support the Republicans on quite a few issues (ex. immigration, Islamization, affirmative action, gun rights, political INcorrectness, etc., and I'm a registered Independent who sees things for what they are, not what will make my wallet a little fatter.
    Last edited by Protectionist; 12-17-10 at 12:28 PM.

  10. #240
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Dunedin, Florida
    Last Seen
    12-24-10 @ 12:48 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    209

    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    This board crawls with comments directed at the rich suggesting those in the top 2% got their wealth by oppressing the poor, exploiting others etc.

    the only honest argument you and other wealth grabbers have is to claim that the government needs more and more money and the rich are the only ones that can be soaked. Instead we get idiotic justifications that are based on punitive motivations combined with outright lies such as claiming that the 1 percent that pays 40% of the income tax are actually using 40% or more of the government services paid for by the income tax
    You richies are the "wealth grabbers" - that's how you got your wealth. By grabbing it from the people (employees) who worked for it, and actually earned it. You grab it by using the law (set up to benefit you), combined with manipulation of money and people.

Page 24 of 74 FirstFirst ... 14222324252634 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •