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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Just 26 percent of Americans say they support extending the cuts for all Americans, even those earning above the $250,000 level, which is the GOP proposal.

    And the rest of them want all of them to expire.
    what? really? link?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    Most people don't know that most of the tax cuts are going to those who make 250,000 or less, not those who make more then 250,000.

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    I do I do! Tax cuts for the top 2% cost roughly $135 billion over the next 2 years. Estate Tax cuts another few billion. Other than that, you are absolutely correct.

    I have said from the beginning this was a good compromise if one were looking to add economic stimulus and not just entitlements. The middle class and small businesses will enjoy a 2% reduction in payroll taxes. What bothers me is the GOP's refusal to pay for any of this. After all, where the top 2% are concerned, we were only talking a return to 39% from the current 36%. And we both know legitimate business concerns can pay much less and often do. In this case, small business tax cuts and incentives by way of investment write-offs for the next decade, plus hiring and payroll tax breaks which more than make up the difference. All in all, not bad.

    Of course, I'm not happy about ethanol subsidies, either (ruse!), but rural, conservative congressmen insisted. Oh well, whatcha gonna do?

    Has it ever struck folks as funny that the people on their bully pulpits screaming they are abused by taxes (Palin, Beck, Hannity, Pick A Righty Pundit), are the very same people who would benefit most from permanent tax cuts for the wealthy, yet they produce nothing? Because, honestly, middle class Americans should be cheering from the roof tops over this administration's commitment to the middle class and small business. The record is there if you want to honestly look at it.

    I never forget: Conservative strategists have always attacked strengths, never weaknesses. If something or someone is being attacked from the bully pulpit, it is probably a decent policy or person, in my experience.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    No, its not. The effective tax rates are the lowest in 60 years. I am not talking about tax revenues, I am talking about taxes paid as a percentage of income.

    Note the table of effective tax rates by income bracket since 1979.

    Historical Effective Federal Tax Rates for All Households

    Historical Tax Rates by Income Group [NYTimes]

    I will produce one that goes back to 1950.

    It is time for conservatives to stop whining and just pay their share of citizenship.
    you libs always want people who pay most of the taxes to pay MORE for their citizenship while never saying anything about the almost 50% of the population that pay almost no federal income taxes. Seems like your anger is misplaced.



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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Kev316 View Post
    I do I do! Tax cuts for the top 2% cost roughly $135 billion over the next 2 years. Estate Tax cuts another few billion. Other than that, you are absolutely correct.

    I have said from the beginning this was a good compromise if one were looking to add economic stimulus and not just entitlements. The middle class and small businesses will enjoy a 2% reduction in payroll taxes. What bothers me is the GOP's refusal to pay for any of this. After all, where the top 2% are concerned, we were only talking a return to 39% from the current 36%. And we both know legitimate business concerns can pay much less and often do. In this case, small business tax cuts and incentives by way of investment write-offs for the next decade, plus hiring and payroll tax breaks which more than make up the difference. All in all, not bad.

    Of course, I'm not happy about ethanol subsidies, either (ruse!), but rural, conservative congressmen insisted. Oh well, whatcha gonna do?

    Has it ever struck folks as funny that the people on their bully pulpits screaming they are abused by taxes (Palin, Beck, Hannity, Pick A Righty Pundit), are the very same people who would benefit most from permanent tax cuts for the wealthy, yet they produce nothing? Because, honestly, middle class Americans should be cheering from the roof tops over this administration's commitment to the middle class and small business. The record is there if you want to honestly look at it.

    I never forget: Conservative strategists have always attacked strengths, never weaknesses. If something or someone is being attacked from the bully pulpit, it is probably a decent policy or person, in my experience.
    tax cuts cost nothing

    but since you want to play that game, what does it cost us to have 47% of the people not paying any income tax? and since you are a fan of the death tax, why not expand it way beyond the 1 percent that are saddled with this abomination now?



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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    It means no one has the right to take your life. It's your job to feed, shelter , and cloth yourself. If you want healthcare, and an education, figure out a way to pay for it. What? You think the government is your Mommy?
    No in fact I dislike the government immensely. However, if it is in existence it might as well do something useful.

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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I think those who support tax cuts should read this linked article from a non-bias, non-political source then come back here to defend their position.
    No such thing as non-bias, non-political, just convincing acting.

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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    tax cuts cost nothing

    but since you want to play that game, what does it cost us to have 47% of the people not paying any income tax? and since you are a fan of the death tax, why not expand it way beyond the 1 percent that are saddled with this abomination now?
    Based on your repetition of talking points, I don't think I'm the one playing a game. If you want to beat up the middle class and the poor, then you are not someone with an opinion I'd value anyway. But, for the record, this 47% number folks like yourself bandy about is misleading as hell. The people pounding it in your head know it; I just can't figure out if the far-right masses knows it. I don't think they do, actually. It's complicated.

    If only 47% of Americans are paying taxes, then incomes are going down. This trend has been occurring since the introduction of Reaganomics, but you refuse to look at it for what it is: Failed policy, implemented by conservatives, which have systematically destroyed labor and the middle class. As statisticians will tell you, the median is widely accepted as a more accurate way of representing data than the mean, so the median American income, given the same qualifiers, is roughly $33,000 each year, according to the Census. That falls under cutoff for income tax, doesn't it? So are you saying most of us are bums because we don't make at least $40k and pay income tax?

    See, for most of us, wages are dropping while the top 2% are increasing earnings exponentially. Big business doesn't create jobs. They destroy jobs. Startups and new business are what create jobs. But they can't get money from big banks while the big boys can. Yet conservatives won't let us do anything about this for fear, apparently, that Obama appears to get a "victory." Utter silliness.

    Second, when it comes to payroll, property, and sales tax - among a zillion other little things like sin taxes - nobody contributes more to the treasury than the middle class and working poor. That is no secret. There is no money in the treasury because the middle class is not spending. That should tell you something, no?
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

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    gets a little heated. Wiener refuses to say just how much should be taken from the rich. Typical liberal, thinks the rich don't pay enough, no matter how much they are paying.
    Catawa is my favorite bleeding heart liberal.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Kev316 View Post
    Based on your repetition of talking points, I don't think I'm the one playing a game. If you want to beat up the middle class and the poor, then you are not someone with an opinion I'd value anyway. But, for the record, this 47% number folks like yourself bandy about is misleading as hell. The people pounding it in your head know it; I just can't figure out if the far-right masses knows it. I don't think they do, actually. It's complicated.

    If only 47% of Americans are paying taxes, then incomes are going down. This trend has been occurring since the introduction of Reaganomics, but you refuse to look at it for what it is: Failed policy, implemented by conservatives, which have systematically destroyed labor and the middle class. As statisticians will tell you, the median is widely accepted as a more accurate way of representing data than the mean, so the median American income, given the same qualifiers, is roughly $33,000 each year, according to the Census. That falls under cutoff for income tax, doesn't it? So are you saying most of us are bums because we don't make at least $40k and pay income tax?

    See, for most of us, wages are dropping while the top 2% are increasing earnings exponentially. Big business doesn't create jobs. They destroy jobs. Startups and new business are what create jobs. But they can't get money from big banks while the big boys can. Yet conservatives won't let us do anything about this for fear, apparently, that Obama appears to get a "victory." Utter silliness.

    Second, when it comes to payroll, property, and sales tax - among a zillion other little things like sin taxes - nobody contributes more to the treasury than the middle class and working poor. That is no secret. There is no money in the treasury because the middle class is not spending. That should tell you something, no?
    There are a few "conservatives" here who are stuck on stoopid when it comes to the rich. The rich will spend more money than the rest of us, but there are so few rich compared to the rest of us that they don't impact the economy all that much. Yes, they will have more stuff, but if we want people to buy more stuff, we need a larger, and viable, middle class. We all have to eat, wear clothes, have a roof over our heads, those are the basic goods of life. It makes obvious sense that if we have 1000 millionaires instead of one billionaire, more money will enter the economy for the extra goodies we all want.
    I can understand the fear that the rich have for losing their preferred tax rates, who knows when it will end if we start boosting their rates? But those that are slogan parroting toadies for the rich, they don't make sense.
    certainly we are all happy for the successful rich, but when the rich start thinking they did it all on their own and turn on the middle class that helped make it possible, that makes no sense. Nobody ever got rich in an economic vacuum..
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    It means no one has the right to take your life. It's your job to feed, shelter , and cloth yourself. If you want healthcare, and an education, figure out a way to pay for it. What? You think the government is your Mommy?
    If you incur a serious lifelong ailment (multiple sclerosis, car accident/paralysis, etc) and your insurance company (revising their definition of you from an asset to a big liability) drops you like a hot potato, (other's won't take you with your serious pre-existing conditions) and you're not well able to work, how are you going to "figure out a way to pay for it" (ie, a lifetime of personal & medical care) ????????

    Maybe the government could become your Mommy ?

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