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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Don't tread on me= Don't tread on my corporate masters

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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Congrats to that federation of smaller co-ops, I'm sure they must be very proud. If that model is successful in Spain, I'm sure we'll see it exported all over the world.

    Just further proof that if you don't like the way the system works, you're free to start your own co-op.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    So in your example...where program managers make 9-1 of the salary of the worker...even they, according to the chairman are facing 'traditional' troubles normally associated with these types of well meaning ventures...

    "All this has been compounded by a fairly profound crisis of values, with some clearly appearing to be in decline, such as responsibility, work-well done, endeavour, solidarity, collective advancement…, being replaced by more material ones that have taken hold amongst us and become part of the landscape of our everyday paradigms. If we add to this the lack of confidence in the markets and of trust in politicians and institutions, the outlook for the coming years is not all that promising"

    Oh...Im sure they will survive in some capacity...just as Im sure Jose Marķa Aldecoa has a net worth that is considerably more than the average copper winder. And as I said...you are MORE than able to start such a venture here. Cant WAIT to see how it turns out. My guess is surprisingly similar to the empowered labor unons that priced themselves out of jobs...but...go for it.

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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    If you make minimum wage, you are in the top few percent of the wealthiest people in the world. If you keep any of that money while the world starves, you're a selfish bastard who deserves to be burned at the state.

    Make sense?
    I assume you mean stake? And yeah minimum wage is comparatively wealthy to other nations. But when you work and live in America you can barely survive. Prices represent overall wealth ignoring that is foolish.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Yeah we know-too bad some of those who scream the loudest for their rights are unwilling to chip in and support society
    Is this your personal confession, Mr. unwilling taxpayer with 11,200 posts, mostly complaining about taxes (which, BTW, are the lowest in 60 years
    http://www.newser.com/story/88448/us...ince-1950.html ) ?
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Is this your personal confession, Mr. unwilling taxpayer with 11,200 posts, mostly complaining about taxes (which, BTW, are the lowest in 60 years
    Recession, Stimulus Shrink US Tax Burden to Its Lowest Since 1950 ) ?
    Tax revenue might be "the lowest in 60 years" because the economy sucks worse than it has in 60 years. People without jobs don't pay income taxes. People without money don't spend as much.

    The overall effective federal tax rate is still quite high from an historical standpoint -- and will remain so despite changes to federal income taxes mostly because of the costs of social insurance programs.

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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    The overall effective federal tax rate is still quite high from an historical standpoint
    Do you have data to support this?

    The idea that effective marginal taxes at the federal level are quite high historical seems quite wrong considering the truly massive amount of deductions and credits allowed coupled with historically low statutory rates. 35% is a low statutory rate compared to the 90+% the US has seen before and the lack of tax expenditures.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Do you have data to support this?

    The idea that effective marginal taxes at the federal level are quite high historical seems quite wrong considering the truly massive amount of deductions and credits allowed coupled with historically low statutory rates. 35% is a low statutory rate compared to the 90+% the US has seen before and the lack of tax expenditures.
    Sorry, I didn't mean to say federal - what I meant was effective average tax rate, to include state and local... how much of your income is consumed by government.

    CBO has data on the effective federal tax rate, but it only goes back to 1979. You can't really "eyeball it" using the top rate. As you say deductions and credits varied considerably. So did the brackets. For example, the 90+% rate you speak of affected very, very few people - you'd have have an income of about 3.75 million dollars.

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