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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

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    See, here's the thing. The affluent business owners wouldnt like this happening in their own businesses, so that's why they are so rare. The ones that do exist are quite successful! You've never heard of a cooperative?
    Of COURSE! They lead the industrial world!

    Except of course...most co-ops actually require the CO part to be equal contributing partners.

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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

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    Can you imagine running an actual business? Or having an actual job? Someday in this wonderful system of ours you will have the opportunity to do more than actually talk about how evil others are or how much better you would do it or giving lip service to causes while you expect the government to redistribute wealth and to provide for everyone...You can actually lead the way...start this wonderful business that hires and treats everyone as equals. History shows us this utopian model works so WELL that it has FLOURISHED throughout the world...right?

    Cant WAIT to see it.
    I know. Look at all of these cooperatives all over the United States and in western Europe. Some have helped impoverished latin and south american communities! The reason you are acting so naive is that you falsely equate state ownership with common ownership. State ownership is epic fail I agree
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

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    Makes sense enough. I suppose I was more thinking that if a company makes a massive amount it should distribute some of the profits instead of going to the CEO, the most idle of the workers in the company.
    This brilliant business insight must be based on your many years in the workforce, right?

    How am I wrong?
    Because you implied that being selfish is part and parcel of becoming wealthy. That's just foolish, and based on nothing more than your own ignorance and prejudices.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    See, here's the thing. The affluent business owners wouldnt like this happening in their own businesses, so that's why they are so rare. The ones that do exist are quite successful! You've never heard of a cooperative?
    I've not heard of many that are successful, especially when compared to any real businesses. Care to enlighten me as to where all these massively successful hippie communes have been hiding?
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Because you implied that being selfish is part and parcel of becoming wealthy. That's just foolish, and based on nothing more than your own ignorance and prejudices.
    No I meant that if you have enough money to be consider part of the 1% wealthiest people in America, you are greedy by keeping all that luxury while the majority of the world starves.

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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    I know. Look at all of these cooperatives all over the United States and in western Europe. Some have helped impoverished latin and south american communities! The reason you are acting so naive is that you falsely equate state ownership with common ownership. State ownership is epic fail I agree
    Im sorry...where did I mention state ownership of ANYTHING? Co-ops DO work...they are very basic, small, individual businesses that share management and facility resources. But you are EXTREMELY naive if you dont think the partners share their largess unequally with their employees (where of course they HAVE employees).

    But seriously...I cant WAIT til you are out there re-creating the industrial base.

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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I've not heard of many that are successful, especially when compared to any real businesses. Care to enlighten me as to where all these massively successful hippie communes have been hiding?
    Again, like VanceMack your ignorance is so readily apparent on the matter. A commune is an entirely socialized community, I'm merely talking about the relationship to the means of production. Cooperatives are much more successful in terms of employee psychological and mental health, and are more egalitarian. I would love to give you an article on them but I don't know how to upload PDF's to this forum
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreReborn View Post
    No I meant that if you have enough money to be consider part of the 1% wealthiest people in America, you are greedy by keeping all that luxury while the majority of the world starves.
    If you make minimum wage, you are in the top few percent of the wealthiest people in the world. If you keep any of that money while the world starves, you're a selfish bastard who deserves to be burned at the state.

    Make sense?
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    Again, like VanceMack your ignorance is so readily apparent on the matter. A commune is an entirely socialized community, I'm merely talking about the relationship to the means of production.
    Yes, I'm well aware. I used the term hippie commune to demonstrate my disdain for the concept and my dismissal of your claim that these fantasies are in any way successful or common.

    Cooperatives are much more successful in terms of employee psychological and mental health, and are more egalitarian. I would love to give you an article on them but I don't know how to upload PDF's to this forum
    I don't give a **** about PDFs discussing psychological health, I'm asking you for examples of these wildly successful coops. Come on, provide me with some links to coops that rival Google or GM.
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    Re: CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    Again, like VanceMack your ignorance is so readily apparent on the matter. A commune is an entirely socialized community, I'm merely talking about the relationship to the means of production. Cooperatives are much more successful in terms of employee psychological and mental health, and are more egalitarian. I would love to give you an article on them but I don't know how to upload PDF's to this forum
    I consult with several professional co-ops. They hire an office manager (a disposable position that gets paid nowhere near what the professionals make). Many hire secretaries that take care of their scheduling and billing (and often themselves serve as the office manager). They are work from home employees that recieve no benefits. They farm out specialist work to others. The co-op environment has changed the standard office environment from mutliple offices employing several people to one office employing far fewer.

    Again...cant WAIT til you get out in the real world and solve all the problems. Its going to be so COOL!!!

    Wait...why arent you doing this stuff now?

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