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The myth of Palin's frontrunner status

Barbbtx said:
I thought I just posted this but can't find it. Anyway....if Palin runs, it's going to be an uphill battle against the media. It's all hate Palin all the time.
I found this and I agree with some of it but not the part where she would LOSE. :)

Republicans Against Palin Watch - The Daily Dish | By Andrew Sullivan
Republicans Against Palin Watch
30 Nov 2010 02:11 pm
Mark McKinnon, former advisor to John McCain, begs Palin not to run for president:
If Palin runs, I think the entire Republican primary process will be hijacked. With ardent fans and a rabid media, it will become Palin-palooza. A celebrity fest will follow with even more amplitude than the adulation and adoration that surrounded Barack Obama, who was so revered he was sometimes referred to in biblical proportions as “The One.” An all-consuming super nova, Palin will suck the oxygen out of every room, everywhere she goes. And one of two things will happen. Discerning conservative voters in early primary states will be offended by the circus-like atmosphere and the presumption that they could so easily fall for a “cult of personality.” And they will vote against her. And she will lose. Or, Republican voters will be completely swept up in the mania and nominate her as the GOP standard bearer to go up against President Obama. And she will lose—perhaps the only Republican nominee who could lose in 2012.
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Quick some one inform the number one cable news network!!!!!! And Hannity too!!!!!
 
Since the term "The One" has already been seized upon and worn into the ground by many on the right, can the left refer to Palin as "The Two" please?
 
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marduc said:
Since the term "The One" has already been seized upon and worn into the ground by many on the right, can the left refer to Palin as "The Two" please?
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Number two is taken by doctor evil. Number three?
 
Barbbtx said:
I thought I just posted this but can't find it. Anyway....if Palin runs, it's going to be an uphill battle against the media. It's all hate Palin all the time.
I found this and I agree with some of it but not the part where she would LOSE. :)

Republicans Against Palin Watch - The Daily Dish | By Andrew Sullivan
Republicans Against Palin Watch
30 Nov 2010 02:11 pm
Mark McKinnon, former advisor to John McCain, begs Palin not to run for president:
If Palin runs, I think the entire Republican primary process will be hijacked. With ardent fans and a rabid media, it will become Palin-palooza. A celebrity fest will follow with even more amplitude than the adulation and adoration that surrounded Barack Obama, who was so revered he was sometimes referred to in biblical proportions as “The One.” An all-consuming super nova, Palin will suck the oxygen out of every room, everywhere she goes. And one of two things will happen. Discerning conservative voters in early primary states will be offended by the circus-like atmosphere and the presumption that they could so easily fall for a “cult of personality.” And they will vote against her. And she will lose. Or, Republican voters will be completely swept up in the mania and nominate her as the GOP standard bearer to go up against President Obama. And she will lose—perhaps the only Republican nominee who could lose in 2012.
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I disagree with Sullivan's conclusion. He's assuming Obama has credibility. He does, with those with long straws sucking hard for the disappearing Kool-Aid. They're only a small portion of the population.

Obama has lost the largest voting block, and I doubt they're coming back. Why would they after these 22-months? That's a deep hole.

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roughdraft274 said:
Number two is taken by doctor evil. Number three?
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So? The One was previously taken by Neo, it is not against the rules - anyhow its not "Number Two" its "The Two" a good compromise would be "The number Two"
 
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marduc said:
So? The One was previously taken by Neo, it is not against the rules - anyhow its not "Number Two" its "The Two" a good compromise would be "The number Two"
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Noted. Can't argue with you then. I think that makes it pretty much official now.
 
Hilarious!
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/04/opinion/04blow.html?_r=1

She Who Must Not Be Named

The left’s ... unrelenting assault... has made her a folk hero. The logic goes that if she’s making people on the left this upset, she must be doing something right.

Yet the left continues to elevate her every utterance so that they can mock and deride her. The problem is that this strategy continues to backfire.
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For someone supposedly so thick, she's been playing the left like a Stradivarius.

The same leftward skew is also true on television... Left-leaning MSNBC mentioned it nearly 1,000 times. But Fox News, which employs her, mentioned it fewer than 600 times.
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ROTFLOL... Who knew!? MSNBC is The Real Palin Network!

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For what it's worth, I went to a three day Conservative convention in DC a few years ago, about 250 attendees, before the Republican candidates were officially announced, and saw several of them speak. The most impressive of the candidates was Mitt Romney, who really spoke his mind at that point, and the least impressive was Mike Huckabee who seemed to want the nomination because his father was a God fearing man. Newt Gingrich, as his reputation and demeanor suggests, is a deeply intelligent man yet doesn't appear to have any conceit whatsoever. I think he would be a good choice for VP.

It seems to me that Sarah Palin is serving as a valuable lightening rod to distract the Left from whatever other Republican candidate might be running, and the potential nominees are pleased to have it that way. It's not the time to make a move and peak too early. Sarah Palin has become over exposed and as a result will be more likely to make some gaffes. She appears to lack wisdom, or "gravitas" as Karl Rove, I believe, put it.

The question for the Republican Party is what to do with an obvious asset like Sarah Palin, yet who isn't quite ready for prime time.

My feeling is that she should continue with her occasional Fox News commentary, promote Alaska, but stay out of the spotlight as much as she has been. Then, perhaps, she can run in 2020. She'll still be a young woman and her children grown.

Mitt Romney is a very impressive candidate and, despite his health care fiasco in Michigan, he should be looked at seriously. Although he hasn't admitted this error as such publicly, perhaps he learned something from that.

And there are others who are lesser known but who will soon start making their move and eventually become better known to the national audience. Meanwhile Sarah Palin allows them to plan their campaigns without being under the same 24 hour microscope she finds herself.
 
from Grant

Mitt Romney is a very impressive candidate and, despite his health care fiasco in Michigan, he should be looked at seriously.
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Do you mean Massachusetts? While Mitt was born in Detroit and raised in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan, I believe you are referring to his health care experience in the state he governed - Massachusetts.
 
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haymarket said:
from Grant



Do you mean Massachusetts? While Mitt was born in Detroit and raised in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan, I believe you are referring to his health care experience in the state he governed - Massachusetts.
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Yes, of course.

My apologies for the confusion.
 
Palin manages to get her name into the media by making inflammatory comments. The media knows that she's just trying to get publicity but they play into her hands for two reasons: 1.)They hate her. 2.)They know that attacking her will make her more popular with Republicans, which will increase her chance of getting the 2012 nomination. They want her to get the nomination because they know that Obama can easily beat her.

If she doesn't get the nomination or get picked as a running mate, this will all be moot.
 
If Palin gets elected, then I'm moving to Germany and watch her support her North Korean allies
 
Barbbtx said:
I thought I just posted this but can't find it. Anyway....if Palin runs, it's going to be an uphill battle against the media. It's all hate Palin all the time.
I found this and I agree with some of it but not the part where she would LOSE. :)

Republicans Against Palin Watch - The Daily Dish | By Andrew Sullivan
Republicans Against Palin Watch
30 Nov 2010 02:11 pm
Mark McKinnon, former advisor to John McCain, begs Palin not to run for president:
If Palin runs, I think the entire Republican primary process will be hijacked. With ardent fans and a rabid media, it will become Palin-palooza. A celebrity fest will follow with even more amplitude than the adulation and adoration that surrounded Barack Obama, who was so revered he was sometimes referred to in biblical proportions as “The One.” An all-consuming super nova, Palin will suck the oxygen out of every room, everywhere she goes. And one of two things will happen. Discerning conservative voters in early primary states will be offended by the circus-like atmosphere and the presumption that they could so easily fall for a “cult of personality.” And they will vote against her. And she will lose. Or, Republican voters will be completely swept up in the mania and nominate her as the GOP standard bearer to go up against President Obama. And she will lose—perhaps the only Republican nominee who could lose in 2012.
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The Republicans have a mess on their hands.

Palin has a good shot of gaining early momentum by winning Iowa and SC... but she has no shot at winning the presidency as she has much too much baggage. Somehow the Repubs need to derail her before she hijacks the process and derails them.

Romney would be a credible candidate, but the fact he is Mormon is a non-starter for the Christian funtamentalists that view Mormonism as a cult. Moreover, his MA health reform was the foundation of the US health reform, so he would be a weak advocate for those that do not like "ObamaCare".

Huckabee is a credible candidate, except I don't see how a creationist can win. He would appeal to the same elements as Sarah. If the Repubs can not derail Palin, Huckabee ends up lost on a siding early in the process.

Pawlentty looks like an excellent candidate. He is good-looking, well-spoken and intelligent (presidential material) and reasonable (which means he will lose tea party support and thus never get the Republican nod)

Christie is a romantic choice because of his upset and hit-the-ground running style in New Jersey. He has some possibility, but we don't know enough about him.

Not much of a bench on the Republican side at the moment.... but they need help, starting with hijacking Palin before she hijacks them.
 
I thought liberal media was making a case for Palin to run in 2012 so that Democrats would win.

I can totally see a Palin presidential run from my house.
 
upsideguy said:
The Republicans have a mess on their hands.
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It certainly seems that they have the momentum though. Obama is not improving his position at all and, even among the left, he's rapidly becoming the butt of jokes.
Palin has a good shot of gaining early momentum by winning Iowa and SC... but she has no shot at winning the presidency as she has much too much baggage. Somehow the Repubs need to derail her before she hijacks the process and derails them.
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She may not even run. I think the idea excites her and she likes the action, but she won;t gain traction.

Romney would be a credible candidate, but the fact he is Mormon is a non-starter for the Christian funtamentalists that view Mormonism as a cult. Moreover, his MA health reform was the foundation of the US health reform, so he would be a weak advocate for those that do not like "ObamaCare".
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If we're talking religion, Christians will support Romney before they'd support Obama's style of religion.
Huckabee is a credible candidate, except I don't see how a creationist can win. He would appeal to the same elements as Sarah. If the Repubs can not derail Palin, Huckabee ends up lost on a siding early in the process.
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The country is looking for competent leadership and Huckabee, whatever his religious beliefs, has a great deal more experience and credibility than BHO.
Pawlentty looks like an excellent candidate. He is good-looking, well-spoken and intelligent (presidential material) and reasonable (which means he will lose tea party support and thus never get the Republican nod)
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What is "reasonable"? Someone who has no use for budgets or debt?
Christie is a romantic choice because of his upset and hit-the-ground running style in New Jersey. He has some possibility, but we don't know enough about him.
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Didn't know much about BHO either and look what happened. At least the people you mentioned have had some leadership experience.

Not much of a bench on the Republican side at the moment.... but they need help, starting with hijacking Palin before she hijacks them.
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We'll also see whether BHO is challenged for the leadership or not. That would be very interesting if he is.
 
Rumblings of Discontent — on Palin

When I see the fervor of Sarah Palin’s fans — and by no means just those who swell the adoring crowds who go to her public appearances — I am convinced that the question is not, “How can she win the GOP nomination?” but “How can she not win it?” When you have anywhere between five and fifteen GOP candidates, all expressing basically the same conservative views, how can anyone other than the only one with the passionate fan base possibly win? And yet: Reading between the lines of what conservative-movement people are saying and writing, there is a great deal of worry about the prospect of a Palin nomination. I would summarize the GOP political writers’ consensus as follows: She must never be criticized, and she must never be nominated.

The most basic underpinning for this view is the notion that she can’t beat Obama, and I think this is a profoundly mistaken assumption. It is based on a too-abstract understanding of the qualifications for the presidency: It holds Palin up against an ideal presidential résumé, and finds her inadequate — which is true enough, but neither fair nor quite relevant. It’s important to remember that in a 2012 general election, she would be confronting not an ideal presidential profile, but an all-too-human flesh-and-blood opponent. The choice between Palin and Obama, phrased in the least flattering (to Palin) possible way, is a choice between a woman who may turn out to be seriously inadequate to the job and, therefore, become a failed president; and a man who has already convincingly demonstrated that he is seriously inadequate to the job and, therefore, already is a failed president. This rather changes the “electability” issue, doesn’t it?

I talked to a savvy GOP politico early this evening, who told me that he believed the Palinmania of her backers — which, as I said above, I consider the gamebreaker for the primaries — will peter out once she goes to Iowa or New Hampshire for the umpteenth time. At that point, he said, she will be seen as just another candidate, and therefore judged on a more even playing field. This commentator knows politics much better than I do, but I remain unconvinced. So far, every gaffe Palin has made and every attack she has endured have only soldered her supporters more securely to her cause. At this point, I think the only way this bond could be broken is through something politically nuclear — the equivalent of Lonesome Rhodes’s famous meltdown at the end of the great 1957 movie, A Face in the Crowd. And anybody who is seriously hoping that, right before the New Hampshire primary, a tape will be released on which Palin is heard referring to Granite State voters as “idiots, morons, and guinea pigs” — well, let me just say that such a person would be letting his hatred of Palin eclipse his common sense...
 
upsideguy said:
The Republicans have a mess on their hands.

Palin has a good shot of gaining early momentum by winning Iowa and SC... but she has no shot at winning the presidency as she has much too much baggage. Somehow the Repubs need to derail her before she hijacks the process and derails them.

Romney would be a credible candidate, but the fact he is Mormon is a non-starter for the Christian funtamentalists that view Mormonism as a cult. Moreover, his MA health reform was the foundation of the US health reform, so he would be a weak advocate for those that do not like "ObamaCare".

Huckabee is a credible candidate, except I don't see how a creationist can win. He would appeal to the same elements as Sarah. If the Repubs can not derail Palin, Huckabee ends up lost on a siding early in the process.

Pawlentty looks like an excellent candidate. He is good-looking, well-spoken and intelligent (presidential material) and reasonable (which means he will lose tea party support and thus never get the Republican nod)

Christie is a romantic choice because of his upset and hit-the-ground running style in New Jersey. He has some possibility, but we don't know enough about him.

Not much of a bench on the Republican side at the moment.... but they need help, starting with hijacking Palin before she hijacks them.
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Really not seeing the same mess for the GOP that you are.

As Grant noted above, Palin seems to be playing more the role of the convenient lighting rod. She has her own TV show, just released a new book, and she does a nice job rallying the conservative base. Just don't think she is a viable candidate for another elected office (or genuinely wants that herself). When she resigned the Alaska Governorship I believe that was the end of any presidential chances. She and her family are now having a pretty good life at the moment. Why screw that up.

Romney will run, and would have some good potential. Huckaby and Gingrich are a good men, but chances are not so good for different reasons.

And then there are a handful of semi-attractive Thune/Daniels/Pawlenty types in the wings. Any one of which could gain some star power. The next 8-10 months should be telling as to who the genuine players will be. Think the GOP has a decent stable to work with....

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The one thing that we found out right out of the gate with Palin is that she is a whore for the money. If the GOP is smart, they go to some big corporate types and get a fund to pay her off, shut her up and send her on a round the world slow boat trip like they did with Hardings mistress in 1920. I think ten million might do the trick.
 
I'm entirely comfortable with the Tea Party and Palin causing the Republican Party some internal conflict. Maybe it'll be like 2000 with the Green Party splinter from Democracts. Except without all the preventing blacks from voting, faulty equipment, and letting the supreme court decide the election according to the party affiliations of nine people.
 
The Lefties are certainly filled with mean-spirited pettiness and hatreds, aren't they?
 
Councilman said:
And brothers and sisters this is what is important and good news if we can keep it going until 2012 and we can wave goodbye to Obama once and for all.

Sarah Palin is the best thing to come along in many years if for no other reason than she is shaking up and worrying the the dumb-ass Republican old guard.

The Republicans are almost as afraid of Sarah Palin as the Left, because her personality matches the Title of her first book, Rouge.

She thinks for herself and has been less likely to fall into the party line and Republicans want control over their members.

As I have said repeatedly it now seems everyone is just repeating what they hear and have no independent knowledge of what the hell they are talking about, and it's too bad because I once thought Republicans were smarter than that.

Looks like I was wrong.
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She does lots of things for herself, but her thinking isn't one to brag about.
 
Anyone else notice that you don't hear much about Ann Coulter anymore? Sarah stole her gig.
 
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