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    Airport Security: Let's Profile Muslims

    interesting perspective from a Muslim American woman. here's the highlights. Detailed info and studies are in the linked page.

    Airport Security: Let's Profile Muslims


    As an American Muslim, I’ve come to recognize, sadly, that there is one common denominator defining those who’ve got their eyes trained on U.S. targets: MANY of them are Muslim—like the Somali-born teenager arrested Friday night for a reported plot to detonate a car bomb at a packed Christmas tree-lighting ceremony in downtown Portland, Oregon.

    We have to talk about the taboo topic of profiling because terrorism experts are increasingly recognizing that religious ideology makes terrorist organizations and terrorists more likely to commit heinous crimes against civilians, such as blowing an airliner out of the sky. Certainly, it’s not an easy or comfortable conversation but it’s one, I believe, we must have.
    And more Americans, it seems, are willing to choose racial and religious profiling as one part of keeping our skies safe. At the beginning of the debate, 37 percent of the audience was for religious and racial profiling, while 33 percent were against and 30 percent were undecided. By the end of the debate, 49 percent of the audience was for religious and racial profiling, 40 percent were against and the rest were undecided, meaning that that the motion carried. Of course, this “victory” in a scholarly debate doesn’t mean that the motion would necessarily win any broader popularity contests.

    In the debate, I said, “Profile me. Profile my family,” because, in my eyes, we in the Muslim community have failed to police ourselves. In an online posting of the Intelligence Squared video, a Muslim viewer called me an “Uncle Tom.”

    As attorney R. Spencer MacDonald put it in an article in the Brigham Young University Journal of Public Law, we can have “rational profiling.”

    I know this is an issue of great distress to many people. But I believe that we cannot bury our heads in the sand anymore. We have to choose pragmatism over political correctness, and allow U.S. airports and airlines to do religious and racial profiling.

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    Re: Airport Security: Let's Profile Muslims

    It's good to know that there's at least one Muslim in the world, that understands that the sooner we exterminate the Islamic extremists, the better off things will be for Islam, as a whole.

    Commons sense before political correctness.
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    In the debate, I said, “Profile me. Profile my family,” because, in my eyes, we in the Muslim community have failed to police ourselves.
    ...have failed to police ourselves. And continue to fail; consciously fail. Either out of fear of, or out of a hidden support of terrorists - and there may be more reasons as well. But I think fear and support could be the front runners. Put another way, if Islam, mosques and Muslims decided they didn't want terrorists usurping their religion any more, terrorists would be the new dodo bird, and it would happen quickly.
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    Re: Airport Security: Let's Profile Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    ...have failed to police ourselves. And continue to fail; consciously fail. Either out of fear of, or out of a hidden support of terrorists - and there may be more reasons as well. But I think fear and support could be the front runners. Put another way, if Islam, mosques and Muslims decided they didn't want terrorists usurping their religion any more, terrorists would be the new dodo bird, and it would happen quickly.
    Maybe when Christians start policing themselves, there won't be any more dead gay teens. Pot, meet kettle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Maybe when Christians start policing themselves, there won't be any more dead gay teens. Pot, meet kettle.
    Who was it that put Timothy McVeigh to death? In case you haven't noticed, Christians police each other, everyday.

    I bet you would bitch too much if profiling were taking place, because 99% of the terrorist attacks were carried out by white, Christian Americans. That, would be politically correct.
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    Common sense is we should profile Muslims....They are the ones committing the terrorist attacks.........
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    Re: Airport Security: Let's Profile Muslims

    Profiling can probably have beneficial effects. However, if we solely rely on profiling, then it is easy to defeat since terrorists can start recruiting people who don't fit the profile. In the end, however, I don't think it's a failing of one religion or another. Or some thing where "Muslims have to police themselves" or whatever other nonsense you want to make up. This is a clear example of the failures and dangers of theocracy and the ability to warp religion to achieve political gains. This is nothing new. We still do it to a much much lesser extent.

    In the end, we should realize the probabilities and statistics at the heart of the matter here and make appropriate decisions and actions based off of that. Not some over emotionalized rhetoric and appeals to authority.
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    Re: Airport Security: Let's Profile Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Profiling can probably have beneficial effects. However, if we solely rely on profiling, then it is easy to defeat since terrorists can start recruiting people who don't fit the profile. In the end, however, I don't think it's a failing of one religion or another. Or some thing where "Muslims have to police themselves" or whatever other nonsense you want to make up. This is a clear example of the failures and dangers of theocracy and the ability to warp religion to achieve political gains. This is nothing new. We still do it to a much much lesser extent.

    In the end, we should realize the probabilities and statistics at the heart of the matter here and make appropriate decisions and actions based off of that. Not some over emotionalized rhetoric and appeals to authority.
    The argument that we keep hearing from the government is how the current groping strategy would have detected the panty bomber. The fallacy with the argument, is that he would have been smoked out, more quickly, if he had been pegged because he was a Muslim, paying for a one way ticket with cash and had no luggage; plus, he was already on the terrorist watch list. Only a complete fool would insist that those factors aren't reason enough to place a person under extra scrutiny.

    Let's face facts: a 7 year old white boy, from Ohio, with autism, isn't a threat. Strip searching him does nothing but open a window for a bad guy to slip through.
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    Re: Airport Security: Let's Profile Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's good to know that there's at least one Muslim in the world, that understands that the sooner we exterminate the Islamic extremists, the better off things will be for Islam, as a whole.

    Commons sense before political correctness.
    All Muslims KNOW it's the right thing to do, but is a very emotionally charged concept. No one wants to be part of a group with extremists like these. Imagine how all Germans were once associated with Nazis.
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    Re: Airport Security: Let's Profile Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Maybe when Christians start policing themselves, there won't be any more dead gay teens. Pot, meet kettle.
    Not familiar with any stories of dead gay teens who were killed in the name of Christ. Do you have evidence of a trend or are you referring to something more anecdotal...?




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