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    Re: Airport Security: Let's Profile Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    they probably would wait for him to attempt a buy, then arrest him.
    If they wait for him to attempt a buy, they have committed predictive profiling. Do you have a problem with predictive profiling?

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    Re: Airport Security: Let's Profile Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Step One would be to look at the passport.
    Maybe it has just been a really long time since I looked at mine, but I don't remember one's religion being on it.
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    Re: Airport Security: Let's Profile Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    Maybe it has just been a really long time since I looked at mine, but I don't remember one's religion being on it.
    Passports identify the home country.

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    Re: Airport Security: Let's Profile Muslims

    Religion/race wouldn’t be on passport but it shouldn’t be taboo for TSA to use religion/race/nationality as a factor in considering whether someone’s story adds up.

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    Re: Airport Security: Let's Profile Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    You realize TSA already DOES train individuals to do this type of thing? They're not hugely wide spread and tend to be at the big airports because its expensive training to get someone actually skilled at it. The people routinely and rather ignorantly comparing things to Israel need to realize we're gigantic compared to them.

    We have 303,289,200 more people in our country. That's almost 42 times more than Israel. We have 14,000 registered airports in our country as compared to 31. That's more than 400 airports for every one they have. We have almost as many Category X airports, the largest designation, as they have airports in general. In three weeks of time half the population of Israel will have passed through Chicago O'Hare International Airport alone.

    The feasability, both in logistics and in cost, to roll out an Israel type of airport security would be mind boggling. The training involved, the higher pay for every employee that would be required, the higher quality employee that it would need, in and of itself presents huge issues in those two realms.
    Certainly there are more airports in the United States than there are in Israel but there are more people also, and they can be trained. As you say, it does cost money to train them but there would probably also be fewer, and more effective, staff as a result. Things would move along far more swiftly.

    You admit that these employees doing the groping are poorly trained, unqualified and poorly paid. They hardly seem to be worth the while that the American and international public must suffer whenever they pass through an airport. It's well past time to be more effective in running airport security rather than worrying about possibly offending any particular group.

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    Re: Airport Security: Let's Profile Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Exactly. Terrorism is, was, and always will be, a very unlikely event. It doesn't happen very often, but it's very high-profile when it does. I'm pretty sure that the average person has a greater chance of being randomly struck by lightning than to be killed in a terrorist attack. The great lengths we go to, where we sacrifice time, money, privacy, dignity, our pretext of religious and racial equality, and our constitutional freedoms... have all served to perhaps make an incredibly rare event slightly rarer. The cost we have paid is HUGE compared to the negligible return.
    In fact we take precautions in our homes, and often in our personal behavior, not to be struck by lightening. We discourage drunk driving, though the odds of getting killed by a drunk might be high.

    We take precautions in personal safety every day, and taking precautions against Muslim terrorists, or any terrorists, is no different.

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    Re: Airport Security: Let's Profile Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    Oh please, I can't beleive that you never heard of Matthew Shepard, or the Christens Kill the gays bill in Uganda. Or the recent incidents in which 4 teens killed themselves because they were bullied for being gay.
    Well, if we're not killing gay teens on airplanes, then this is completely off topic.

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    Re: Airport Security: Let's Profile Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Quick question...

    How do you know someone is a Muslim at the airport security gate? Do they dress like a Muslim? well then the Muslim-terrorist just won't look like one. Do they talk with an Arabic accent? Well not all Muslims are Arab and one can be taught an American or other accent in phrases needed to get through an airport. Do we ask everyone in the US what their religion, because of domestic terrorists, as well as those entering the US? They can lie...

    How do we do it?
    The common sense answer is that you can't pinpoint who is a Muslim or not based on looks. If wearing a hijab would make me stand out and cause me to be searched. I'd simply not wear my hijab

    A unrecognised element in this thread is the growing number of White female converts to Islam. I don't suppose anyone remembers the Extremist plotting to kill the cartoonist was a blonde haired, blue eyed convert.

    Does she look like a terrorist?


    Perhaps not. But she blew herself up in Iraq and killed a few American soldiers
    Profiling will not work. It is too vast
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    Re: Airport Security: Let's Profile Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    The common sense answer is that you can't pinpoint who is a Muslim or not based on looks. If wearing a hijab would make me stand out and cause me to be searched. I'd simply not wear my hijab

    A unrecognised element in this thread is the growing number of White female converts to Islam. I don't suppose anyone remembers the Extremist plotting to kill the cartoonist was a blonde haired, blue eyed convert.

    Does she look like a terrorist?


    Perhaps not. But she blew herself up in Iraq and killed a few American soldiers
    Profiling will not wor
    k. It is too vast
    No system is perfect but that does not mean we shouldn't try every avenue possible in order to prevent terrorism.

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