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Poll: Tea Party GOP, Obama nearly tied for leader of choice

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And this is why so much hateful rhetoric is being spewed by the Left.

They saw from the time of the giant Tea Party rally on 9-12 and the equally huge one on 8-28 that the Conservatives, Moderates, Independents, Libertarians, and many thinking Americans have had enough talk of Socialism/Marxism and the pack of lies belching forth from the "Trifecta of Doom," Oabama, Pelosi, Reid, all the Democrats, and Progressive Republicans.

We want this Administration to understand when the American people want change we want the Constitution to be left alone and intact.

Too many people misunderstood that when on "Mar 15, 2008 Obama said "My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it".

They had no idea Obama meant destroy it and trample the Constitution.

I think Obama will not be running in 2012 because he will not be able to beat Hillary. All we have to do is make sure she is defeated before she runs.

This is all good news.

Poll: Tea Party GOP, Obama nearly tied for leader of choice - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room
The portion of voters that prefers President Obama as the federal government's key policy player barely edges out those that want the Tea Party Republicans in charge.

According to a Gallup survey released this week, 28 percent prefer Obama while 27 prefer the newly-elected Tea Party Republicans.

The Republican leaders in Congress, meanwhile, received 23 percent support, putting them in third place followed by the Democratic leaders, who received 16 percent support.
 
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There is no Tea Party.
 
And this is why so much hateful rhetoric is being spewed by the Left.

They saw from the time of the giant Tea Party rally on 9-12 and the equally huge one on 8-28 that the Conservatives, Moderates, Independents, Libertarians, and many thinking Americans have had enough talk of Socialism/Marxism and the pack of lies belching forth from the "Trifecta of Doom," Oabama, Pelosi, Reid, all the Democrats, and Progressive Republicans.

We want this Administration to understand when the American people want change we want the Constitution to be left alone and intact.

Too many people misunderstood that when on "Mar 15, 2008 Obama said "My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it".

They had no idea Obama meant destroy it and trample the Constitution.

I think Obama will not be running in 2012 because he will not be able to beat Hillary. All we have to do is make sure she is defeated before she runs.

This is all good news.

Your a very angery person.
 
Your a very angery person.

Pointing out other peoples hate doesn't make me angry, however I am puzzled that so many people are unable to see what is right in front of them.

Pointing it out makes me a target for the "Firsters" and they always project their hate and lies on to others out of ignorance and fear.

Keep in mind that ignorance does not mean stupidity unless one is stupid and thinks it does. As used here it just means uninformed, or unenlightened, as the case my be.

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There is no Tea Party.

Actually, there is. There is the National Tea Party, which is a clearinghouse for the many Tea Party organizations out there. There is also the Tea Party Express, which is not a Tea Party at all, but consists of disgraced Neocons, racists, and various nut jobs. The National Tea Party kicked them out, but they are still out there, claiming to represent who it does not really represent. Don't be fooled. The National Tea Party is the real thing, but it is pretty much ONLY a vehicle that coordinates the activities of the various local and state Tea Parties, and does not hold power itself. It is those local Tea Parties that are the real thing. Don't let any organization calling itself a "nation wide" Tea Party, that purports to represent everyone in the Tea Party movement, fool you. That kind of an organization has only one purpose in mind - To seize back the power it lost, at the expense of Tea Party organizations from coast to coast, as well as at the expense of America. .
 
I'd be more tolerant of the Tea Party if they really invested in across-the-board small-government conservatism and didn't act as a party constituency. But given what people think about their contribution to the election, I see them acting like a faction. I'd like to be able to count myself as a Tea Partier at some point.
 
Actually, there is. There is the National Tea Party, which is a clearinghouse for the many Tea Party organizations out there. There is also the Tea Party Express, which is not a Tea Party at all, but consists of disgraced Neocons, racists, and various nut jobs. The National Tea Party kicked them out, but they are still out there, claiming to represent who it does not really represent. Don't be fooled. The National Tea Party is the real thing, but it is pretty much ONLY a vehicle that coordinates the activities of the various local and state Tea Parties, and does not hold power itself. It is those local Tea Parties that are the real thing. Don't let any organization calling itself a "nation wide" Tea Party, that purports to represent everyone in the Tea Party movement, fool you. That kind of an organization has only one purpose in mind - To seize back the power it lost, at the expense of Tea Party organizations from coast to coast, as well as at the expense of America. .

When they get on the ballot as an official political party with their own candidates for office they then become the Tea Party. Until then they are using a title that they are not.
 
When they get on the ballot as an official political party with their own candidates for office they then become the Tea Party. Until then they are using a title that they are not.

Who is claiming that they're a political party?

You realize there's other definitions of the word "party" correct?

When people...typically other than some liberals who purposefully or ignornatly misrepresenting it...speak about the "Tea Party" they're talking about the "Tea Party Movement" and essentially leaving the "movement" piece off. It's much like saying "The Environmentalists" typically refers to the Environmentalist Movement, however the "movement" part is left off.

There is a "Tea Party", IE a movement of people across the country that are protesting against expanding government and fiscal irresponsability and pushing for those that will fight against those things in the government. There is not a "Tea Party" in the same national sense as there is a "Democratic Party" or a "Republican Party", but then again there's few if any Tea Party participants that actually suggest that is the case...the only ones that ever focus so much on it being a political party tend to be liberals who NEED it to be a political party to be able to insult it more.

In regards to the poll, its not all that suprising really. Obama's approvals have been going down, and the 2000's republicans aren't exactly the most popular bunch either, where as the Tea Party's message can reach a broad base to be able to get enough to match up with the other two's numbers.
 
Where is healthcare related language in the Constitution?

What's your point? There's nothing about nuclear weapons on the Constitution, should the government get rid of them? Unless you can show me the part forbidding healthcare in the Constitution, your argument is invalid.
 
What's your point? There's nothing about nuclear weapons on the Constitution, should the government get rid of them? Unless you can show me the part forbidding healthcare in the Constitution, your argument is invalid.
First of all you obviously do not understand the construction of the Constitution. It is not about what is not forbidden, but what is allowed. Furthermore the 10th Amendment makes this clear. Your statement regarding nukes is a red herring.
 
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There is no Tea Party operating as a political party.

But I sure wish there was.

American - you sound like one of those 'tenthers' who seem to operate as if the Constitution had two halves - the tenth Amendment and then everything else. And both halves are equal in your mind - or maybe I am giving too much weight to the 'everything else' half for you?
 
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We want this Administration to understand when the American people want change we want the Constitution to be left alone and intact.

.. .. ..unless we see fit to do so. "Do as I say; not as I do".

“I want to share with you four ideas that I think should carry us forward,” Pawlenty said on Friday at the annual gathering of the Conservative Political Action Committee, or CPAC. After invoking “basic constitutional principle and basic common sense,” he continued:

“The first one is this: God’s in charge. God is in charge … In the Declaration of Independence it says we are endowed by our creator with certain unalienable rights. It doesn’t say we’re endowed by Washington, DC, or endowed by the bureaucrats or endowed by state government. It’s by our creator that we are given these rights.”

Never mind Pawlenty’s fundamental and no doubt deliberate misreading of the founders’ intent. (Thomas Jefferson, the primary author of the Declaration of Independence, is well-known for having cut up a Bible to remove all supernatural references to Jesus.) How, in practice, does Pawlenty envision “God’s in charge” as a governing principle?
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The capitalization of both letters confers upon it the status of an ongoing formal organization in the same category as every single other political party operating

Democratic Party
Republican Party
Communist Party
Socialist Party
Libertarian Party

I can vote for all those parties on the ballot. Where do I vote for the Tea Party? In which state? What are they running for?
 
The capitalization of both letters confers upon it the status of an ongoing formal organization in the same category as every single other political party operating

Could you please provide me some kind of evidence of fact that states that if something is refered to as a "Party"...capital P...that it must be refering to a recognized national political party?

Because it seems like you're just deeming something so to give yourself a reason to bitch about something that people aren't actually suggesting.

All you're doing is beating on a strawman of your own creation, and a rather pathetically created one at that. People refer to it with a capital P because its a recognized and organized movement and thus a group, even if loosely organized, which causes people to tend to capitalize it.

Again, I'll ask...do you have any proof of any individuals who are capitalizing it in an attempt to suggest that its an actual legitimate political party? Or are you just bitching about something that doesn't actually exist save for in your own mind.
 
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sorry - I do not buy your line of argument. A capitalization of a name before the word party confers upon it the status of a formal political organization that provides the normal functions of a formal political organization. This is true of

Democratic Party
Republican Party
Communist Party
Socialist Party
Libertarian Party

and many more.

This should be very simple for you. Please tell me in which state the Tea Party was on the ballot.

People refer to it with a capital P because its a recognized and organized movement and thus a group, even if loosely organized, which causes people to tend to capitalize it.

It is a recognized movement within the Republican Party. It is NOT a political party and as such does NOT deserve the title others have given it.
 
sorry - I do not buy your line of argument. A capitalization of a name before the word party confers upon it the status of a formal political organization that provides the normal functions of a formal political organization.

Please provide some kind of factual documentation stating this as a fact and not simply your opinion

Simply because political parties capitalize Party does not mean that anytime one capitalizes the word Party when speaking about a group that it must mean its a nationally recognized Political party.

Your opinion is not fact. You need to grasp that.

This should be very simple for you. Please tell me in which state the Tea Party was on the ballot.

Why should I tell you something that I never argued, stated, or suggested.

Seriously, you should actually focus on what's being said by people you're arguing with. I'm Zyphlin, I've never stated its a national political party. Here's who you appear to be debating:

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Perhaps at some point when you want to ask me questions that actually partain to something I...or anyone else on this thread...is actually suggesting then people will pay attention to your argument and take your words as being worth while. However, if you want to continue to beat up your strawman then your argument will continue to be looked upon with the ridicule and disdain that it so rightly deserves.

It is a recognized movement within the Republican Party. It is NOT a political party and as such does NOT deserve the title others have given it.

Again, I will ask. Who has stated that its a national political party.

Please, identify those posters who are giving it such a title.

Simply capitalizing its letters is not doing such, unless you can provide actual proof other than your own...worthless mind you...opinion of what the capitalization means.
 
If the tea party is really the Tea Party then tell me where they were on the ballot. Every other Party was.

How can you be a political party in the USA when you
1- do not compete on the ballot
2- do not have candidates running under the label of your party
3- have no regular organization to promote your candidates
You can call something anything you want to call it but that does not make it so.

A Boston cream pie is still a cake and not a pie. Any baker can tell you that.
You can call it a Tea Party if it pleases you but it is clearly not one.


Look, I get it.... I get that the name is what is it and people use it knowing what it is. Its just not a proper usage of the term and belies what it is. Its a pet peeve of mine. there is no freakin' Tea Party. Maybe I feel so strongly about this because I dearly wish there were a functioning and real Tea Party instead of a faux polulist movement on the rightwing of the actual Republican Party
 
Alright, maybe I need to make it more blatant for you that you need to actually address what people are saying, not what you're imagination is telling you erroniously is fact.

If the tea party is really the Tea Party then tell me where they were on the ballot. Every other Party was.

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How can you be a political party in the USA when you
1- do not compete on the ballot
2- do not have candidates running under the label of your party
3- have no regular organization to promote your candidates
You can call something anything you want to call it but that does not make it so.

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A Boston cream pie is still a cake and not a pie. Any baker can tell you that.
You can call it a Tea Party if it pleases you but it is clearly not one.

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If you have no got the message yet...you are strawmaning. Its a personal pet peeve of yours. Wonderful, great, deal with it. Until you can show some kind of definition or rule that clearly states that the use of the world "Party" as a capitalization in ALL cases refers to a nationally identified political party your pet peeve is nothing but your own inability to deal with your opinion not being fact.

It became known as the "Tea Party" movement as a throwback reference to the Boston Tea Party (note, the Boston Tea Party was not a political party either). It is capitalized as it is a formal, organize...albiet loosely...group and as such gets formal recognition. However, there is few...if any...that are part of said group that actually suggest that its the "Tea Party" Party, as in a political party.
 
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And if I tell you that I have heard what you are saying, dismiss what you are saying and don't give a flying crap about what you are saying - do you get that?

I can just as easy turn it around on you and scream at you with cute little posters that mean nothing demanding that you come on my turf and deal with what I am saying.

get over yourself.
 
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Where is healthcare related language in the Constitution?

The basis of regulation of healthcare is in terms of interstate commerce. Duh. Most of the things we make rules about are not explicitly mentioned in the constitution. All rules about airplanes, or trains, or cars, or radio, or television, or a thousand other little bits of our daily lives are not mentioned in the constitution. A comprehensive healthcare reform (which the new law really isn't, it's a tiny one) certainly falls within the bounds of interstate commerce. Actually, pretty much all commerce is interstate these days...

But I counter with this question. Why is it terrible to reform healthcare, but totally cool to routinely ignore the 4th amendment and engage in searches without warrants or probable cause in pursuit of terrorists or drugs?

On the topic of parties, however. You can be of any size and be a party so long as you call yourself one.
 
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