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    Re: Poll: Tea Party GOP, Obama nearly tied for leader of choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Alright, maybe I need to make it more blatant for you that you need to actually address what people are saying, not what you're imagination is telling you erroniously is fact.













    If you have no got the message yet...you are strawmaning. Its a personal pet peeve of yours. Wonderful, great, deal with it. Until you can show some kind of definition or rule that clearly states that the use of the world "Party" as a capitalization in ALL cases refers to a nationally identified political party your pet peeve is nothing but your own inability to deal with your opinion not being fact.

    It became known as the "Tea Party" movement as a throwback reference to the Boston Tea Party (note, the Boston Tea Party was not a political party either). It is capitalized as it is a formal, organize...albiet loosely...group and as such gets formal recognition. However, there is few...if any...that are part of said group that actually suggest that its the "Tea Party" Party, as in a political party.
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    Re: Poll: Tea Party GOP, Obama nearly tied for leader of choice

    Sweet Jeebus. Unless haymarket actually sells hay, I demand he stop using his misleading and misused screen name. Until such time, he should stop posting because he, in essence, lies about himself with every post.
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    Re: Poll: Tea Party GOP, Obama nearly tied for leader of choice

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    LOL....yeah....we are trembling over those 70K at the largest of the rallies. Man.....that is the wave of a new movement!
    I think you're exaggerating. No way did any of the rallys have that many people.
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    Re: Poll: Tea Party GOP, Obama nearly tied for leader of choice

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    When they get on the ballot as an official political party with their own candidates for office they then become the Tea Party. Until then they are using a title that they are not.
    There are some people who lived in Boston more than 130 years ago, who would strongly disagree with you. They weren't on the ballot either.
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    Re: Poll: Tea Party GOP, Obama nearly tied for leader of choice

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    We'll planet earth waves a fair hello to you then. Here on planet earth, we refer to those who think the tea party is a political party as delusional.
    I thought they considered themselves as a movement, not a party.

    I could be wrong, but I was convinced that most of their candidates ran as Republicans.

    The members of the movement did not name themselves. It was hung on them as
    ridicule by the Left, which they took and ran with, much to the Left's dismay. Kind
    of like the Patriots taking the Yankee Doodle insult from the British & turning it into
    a badge of pride.

    If the Republicans do not get the Tea Party's message, there will be an official
    TEA Party IMHO, but that is another topic.

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    Re: Poll: Tea Party GOP, Obama nearly tied for leader of choice

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    There are some people who lived in Boston more than 130 years ago, who would strongly disagree with you. They weren't on the ballot either.
    You are confusing the name of the EVENT in the 18th century with the name of a GROUP today. The usage is two very different things.
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    Re: Poll: Tea Party GOP, Obama nearly tied for leader of choice

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    A lot of independents, moderates, and Libertarians I know are not involved in the tea party and don't agree with it... With people like Michelle Bachman and Palin as the defacto leaders, the movement is not very appealing to moderates. Who is a moderate in that movement? Ironically, many politicians involved (like Bachman) are also open about changing the Constitution and scrapping some amendments, so they really don't want to protect the Constitution as it is.. they want to change the Constitution to what suits them and then promise to protect it...

    I wouldn't call that protecting the Constitution... the next time the political wind changes, and they don't like something the Constitution says, will they propose scrapping that too? BS
    There is a BIG difference between using the amendment process to make change & Progressive (republican or democrat appointed) judges ruling in a way the authors did not intend.

    Last I heard, Palin & Bachmann were both promoting change through the amendment process. I fail to see how is promoting a constitutional process violating their oath to uphold the constitution.
    The amendment process is there for good reason. It is difficult & tedious for good reason as well.
    The founders realized there would be issues they could not foresee, so they provided two ways to amend the Constitution. They also realized that there would be people (or groups of people) who would want to act out of haste,
    so they made the process difficult & tedious, hoping that in the end saner heads would hopefully prevail.
    There is precedent for repealing amendments. Prohibition would still be with us if the 21st amendment had not repealed the 18th.

    Supporting the Constitution means supporting all of it, whether we like that part or not, be it gun rights, freedom of speech, limiting federal authority or any other provisions.
    The amendment process is part of the Constitution, so we have to support the process. If we do not like the particular amendment, we have plenty of opportunity to weigh in & oppose ratification.
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