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    Re: Poll: Tea Party GOP, Obama nearly tied for leader of choice

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So in the examples YOU GAVE and in the response that I gave

    what exactly is factually wrong?
    The very first thing you say, that the term "party" is being used "improperly", is factually incorrect. That is nothing but your opinion that its being used improperly, and a poor opinion at that. A party can be a group of persons with common purposes or opinions who support one side of a debate, dispute, issue, etc. A party can be a group gathered for a special purpose or task. And yes, a party can even be a group of persons with common political opinions and purposes organized for gaining political influence or control WITHOUT the need for it to be recognized officially as a "political party" in the legal sense.

    All of those definitions could easily apply to the Tea Party movement, so stating that it is using the term "improperly" is not Factually correct.

    You show me an example from the modern American political world where there is a usage for something called a "Party" with a proper name in front of it that is not a regular political party like the Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians or anyone else that runs candidates in elections and is on the ballot.
    Simply because something has not done it before in the modern time doesn't mean it can't be done or is improper to do.

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    Re: Poll: Tea Party GOP, Obama nearly tied for leader of choice

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    What's Obama done that's unconstitutional?
    He signed off on a bill, that authrorizes a private army, that answers only to the president; and that forces American citizens to purchase a product, or face penalties. Those things are unconstitutional.
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    Re: Poll: Tea Party GOP, Obama nearly tied for leader of choice

    A party can be a group of persons with common purposes or opinions who support one side of a debate, dispute, issue, etc.
    but that is NOT the usage when you say Tea Party.

    I asked you this

    You show me an example from the modern American political world where there is a usage for something called a "Party" with a proper name in front of it that is not a regular political party like the Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians or anyone else that runs candidates in elections and is on the ballot.
    here is your reply

    Simply because something has not done it before in the modern time doesn't mean it can't be done or is improper to do.
    Has it occurred to you that it has not been done because it is improper and the fact that it has not been done is evidence that other know it and accept it as improper rule or no rule?
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    Re: Poll: Tea Party GOP, Obama nearly tied for leader of choice

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket
    You show me an example from the modern American political world where there is a usage for something called a "Party" with a proper name in front of it that is not a regular political party like the Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians or anyone else that runs candidates in elections and is on the ballot.

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    Re: Poll: Tea Party GOP, Obama nearly tied for leader of choice

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    but that is NOT the usage when you say Tea Party.
    Actually that's exactly the usage. Its a group of people who share common views and ideas regarding politics and are loosely organized to push said views.

    Has it occurred to you that it has not been done because it is improper and the fact that it has not been done is evidence that other know it and accept it as improper rule or no rule?
    Fallacy again. Simply because something has not been done does not prove that its improper to be done. Correlation does not mean causation. The fact that a group hasn't gained notice on a national level that has used "party" as a means of describing itself does not somehow prove its improper or wrong to use it, it just simply means it hasn't been used.

    Much like your talk with the Boston Tea Party, the use of "party" in the Tea Party monicor is there for imagery and allagory, in their case to the "tea parties" of the british women and in the current tea party movements case to the Boston Tea Party itself.

    Since "party" is already an accepted and defined way of referencing a large group of people there was no real reason to give it a secondary continual designation as it already has one.

    Your arguing your opinion, that you FEEL that it should be improper because you don't like it and its not commonly used. I'm arguing fact, by pointing out an actual definition that clearly fits.

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    Re: Poll: Tea Party GOP, Obama nearly tied for leader of choice

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    which would be redundant.





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    No it would only be redundant if it was called simply Tea. If they ever did want to be an official party and be on the ballot as such, they would be the Tea Party Party.
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    Re: Poll: Tea Party GOP, Obama nearly tied for leader of choice

    We agree then to disagree.
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    Re: Poll: Tea Party GOP, Obama nearly tied for leader of choice

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    We agree then to disagree.


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    Re: Poll: Tea Party GOP, Obama nearly tied for leader of choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    No it would only be redundant if it was called simply Tea. If they ever did want to be an official party and be on the ballot as such, they would be the Tea Party Party.
    Only if their activities are intended to parody upper crust females with upturned pinkies and water cress sandwiches.
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    Re: Poll: Tea Party GOP, Obama nearly tied for leader of choice

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    No, it means you once again, are wrong.
    Coming for you rev, I take that as a sign I am unmistakably correct. You are a perfect reverse barometer.
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