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    Re: Poll: Tea Party GOP, Obama nearly tied for leader of choice

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    Re: Poll: Tea Party GOP, Obama nearly tied for leader of choice

    from Zyphlin

    The "TEA" in the Tea Party Movement name is actually an acronym for "Taxed Enough Already". That was combined with the "Party" statemented to form "Tea Party", acting as a literary device to harken back to the Boston Tea Party which could be construed as an act of wanting less government involvement, in its case with taxes. Thus, the label of the "Tea Party" was placed on the original tax day protests and the group that spurred from it due to their own self labeling as such.
    did that come before or after the people with the tea bags hanging from their hats and signs proclaiming their intent to 'teabag Obama"?

    And the Boston Tea Party name was a reference to the polite social events known as tea parties given by upper crust ladies. It had nothing to do with any political party.

    The Boston Tea Party is capitalized, therefore under your strange definition it MUST be a Political Party in line with the Republican Party, Democratic Party, etc because it uses "Party" with a capitalized P!
    Not at all. I can separate an event whose name was a parody on social events at the time that both involved tea and understand that the word "party" was in reference to the activities taking place on that boat and in the harbor with the modern usage of the term which capitalized with the name of an organization in front of it. The real question is why can't you?

    The Tea Party Protests were a grouping of individuals coming together to protest increasing government encroachment into peoples live.s The Tea Party Protests spawned a movement whose name derives from the protests designations, thus the Tea Party Movement.
    Then use the term properly. Use it as the Tea Party Movement and the third word defines what it is. Use it as the Tea Party Protests and the third word defines what it is. But when you drop those third words and reduce it to Tea Party it becomes a falsehood because it is not a party and that word identifies what it is.
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    Re: Poll: Tea Party GOP, Obama nearly tied for leader of choice

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    Re: Poll: Tea Party GOP, Obama nearly tied for leader of choice

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Then use the term properly. Use it as the Tea Party Movement and the third word defines what it is. Use it as the Tea Party Protests and the third word defines what it is. But when you drop those third words and reduce it to Tea Party it becomes a falsehood because it is not a party and that word identifies what it is.
    Your OPINION does not equal official proper use.

    I will ask again.

    Show me anything definitive stating as a fact that the use of the word party with a capital P for any purpose...seemingly other than lampooning old ladies tea parties...indicates one is speaking about a Political Party.

    Your OPINION is not fact.

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    Re: Poll: Tea Party GOP, Obama nearly tied for leader of choice

    So in the examples YOU GAVE and in the response that I gave

    Then use the term properly. Use it as the Tea Party Movement and the third word defines what it is. Use it as the Tea Party Protests and the third word defines what it is. But when you drop those third words and reduce it to Tea Party it becomes a falsehood because it is not a party and that word identifies what it is.
    what exactly is factually wrong?

    Show me anything definitive stating as a fact that the use of the word party with a capital P for any purpose...seemingly other than lampooning old ladies tea parties...indicates one is speaking about a Political Party.
    You show me an example from the modern American political world where there is a usage for something called a "Party" with a proper name in front of it that is not a regular political party like the Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians or anyone else that runs candidates in elections and is on the ballot.
    Last edited by haymarket; 11-29-10 at 03:35 PM.
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    Re: Poll: Tea Party GOP, Obama nearly tied for leader of choice

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    What's Obama done that's unconstitutional?
    There have been many questionable things. Several states are suing over the HC mandate as being unconstitutional. Perhaps the pledge from the Republicans will get rid of anymore questionable legislation.


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    Re: Poll: Tea Party GOP, Obama nearly tied for leader of choice

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    sorry - I do not buy your line of argument. A capitalization of a name before the word party confers upon it the status of a formal political organization that provides the normal functions of a formal political organization. This is true of

    Democratic Party
    Republican Party
    Communist Party
    Socialist Party
    Libertarian Party

    and many more.

    This should be very simple for you. Please tell me in which state the Tea Party was on the ballot.



    It is a recognized movement within the Republican Party. It is NOT a political party and as such does NOT deserve the title others have given it.
    Is anyone calling it the tea party party? Or The Tea Party Party?
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    Re: Poll: Tea Party GOP, Obama nearly tied for leader of choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cochise View Post
    I'd be more tolerant of the Tea Party if they really invested in across-the-board small-government conservatism and didn't act as a party constituency. But given what people think about their contribution to the election, I see them acting like a faction. I'd like to be able to count myself as a Tea Partier at some point.



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    Re: Poll: Tea Party GOP, Obama nearly tied for leader of choice

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    When they get on the ballot as an official political party with their own candidates for office they then become the Tea Party. Until then they are using a title that they are not.



    Funny, I don't remember a caucus and I am in the tea party.


    Wait, cause it's not a political party.
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    Re: Poll: Tea Party GOP, Obama nearly tied for leader of choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Is anyone calling it the tea party party? Or The Tea Party Party?
    which would be redundant.

    from the good Rev

    Funny, I don't remember a caucus and I am in the tea party
    Perfect usage. I honestly applaud you for it.
    Last edited by haymarket; 11-29-10 at 04:01 PM.
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