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    Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

    Suze Orman: ‘The American Dream Is Dead’ - Jenna Goudreau - The Other Half - Forbes

    I don't tend to think buying a house you will pay on for the rest of your life is the American dream, however I think for at least the next 10 years the American dream probably is dead, we will have to get away from the service industry and shift into different industries to get back to the prosperity my grandparents enjoyed.
    "Were going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and thats crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Suze Orman: ‘The American Dream Is Dead’ - Jenna Goudreau - The Other Half - Forbes

    I don't tend to think buying a house you will pay on for the rest of your life is the American dream, however I think for at least the next 10 years the American dream probably is dead, we will have to get away from the service industry and shift into different industries to get back to the prosperity my grandparents enjoyed.
    The American dream is only dead for those who are too damn lazy to go grab it.

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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    The American dream is only dead for those who are too damn lazy to go grab it.
    I tend to agree with that except that, you could be making what was a decent wage 10 years ago, but prices get higher, etc so the fact that I make 40k a year I can live comfortably but I can't live what most define as the "American dream". I don't really care personally I just thought I would point it out. How is it someones fault that they aren't making enough to have the "American dream"? I probably work harder than you.
    "Were going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and thats crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    I tend to agree with that except that, you could be making what was a decent wage 10 years ago, but prices get higher, etc so the fact that I make 40k a year I can live comfortably but I can't live what most define as the "American dream". I don't really care personally I just thought I would point it out. How is it someones fault that they aren't making enough to have the "American dream"?
    What do you define as the American dream?

    I probably work harder than you.
    I cannot wait for your explanation of how...

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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

    America will only be as great as its people want it to be. If some will give up the idea that the govt. should provide or bail them out, if Congress will stop spending money they don't have, we as a country will rebound. People need to get back to being able to determine what they need versus what they want and live within their means. It won't happen overnight, but the US economy has had ups and downs.

    It is interesting that a well off person (Orman), would take such a dark stance. Wonder how much money she has in off shore accounts or expects to make selling her story?
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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    What do you define as the American dream?



    I cannot wait for your explanation of how...
    I said probably. I don't know what you do but I would bet good money I do. I typically work 10-12 hour days 7 days a week working with steel and automotive preassembly, come home work on various design projects on the side, study Japanese and design for a degree, and I do tobacco work when in season (right now we are stripping) and when it snows I shovel sidewalks. What do you do?

    Also I could honestly give a **** about the pre-defined vision of American dream. The American dream to me is to make money and not have to work your dick in the ground to get to that point. The American dream is to work your dick into the ground until you don't have to work your dick into the ground and make more doing less.
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    "Were going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and thats crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Suze Orman: ‘The American Dream Is Dead’ - Jenna Goudreau - The Other Half - Forbes

    I don't tend to think buying a house you will pay on for the rest of your life is the American dream, however I think for at least the next 10 years the American dream probably is dead, we will have to get away from the service industry and shift into different industries to get back to the prosperity my grandparents enjoyed.
    Bah...the American Dream is not 'dead'. It may be out of reach to the lazy and unprepared...but it is definitely not dead. This economy like any other time in history requires that people pay attention to markets and trends. As cool as that degree in PoliSci sounds, unless you plan on being a teacher it wont be worth a dime. But IF you are planning a career in teaching...sure...that option is as available as always. You want a surefire career? Computer design (and not the 2 year university "we guarantee you pass" programs). Healthcare...there are hundreds of fields in the health and human services fields. Management degrees are great as long as you recognize that they mean you will usually start managing a restaraunt or other small business. Looking into the future? Learn to love Geoplotting and design. Project management is as solid a field as ever.

    Hopefully the industrial jobs are brought back to America. We NEED them. Hopefully the government ends the inane bailout process and allows the housing market to correct itself. But working til you are 65 and then retiring (though lets be honest...we as a people are vibrant these days well into our 70's...the retirement age SHOULD shange with the times) is still emminently doable. Buying a home is still very easy.

    We only maintain the current problems if we allow government to continue to grow and stifle individual and national economic growth.

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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    I said probably. I don't know what you do but I would bet good money I do. I typically work 10-12 hour days 7 days a week working with steel and automotive preassembly, come home work on various design projects on the side, study Japanese and design for a degree, and I do tobacco work when in season (right now we are stripping) and when it snows I shovel sidewalks. What do you do?

    Also I could honestly give a **** about the pre-defined vision of American dream. The American dream to me is to make money and not have to work your dick in the ground to get to that point. The American dream is to work your dick into the ground until you don't have to work your dick into the ground and make more doing less.
    You seem to have plenty of time to hang around here for all the work you say you do.
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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You seem to have plenty of time to hang around here for all the work you say you do.
    Says the guy with 17,000+ post.

    There is no doubt that there are many out there who work their butts off and still cannot afford to buy a house, let alone keep up with surmounting bills. Not everyone who makes less that 25,000K is a lazy welfare bum.
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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

    BUYING a house is overrated anyway. . . especially when you consider that most homes are never paid off. Gee: massive debt! What a dream (more like a nightmare).

    I would, right now, prefer I didn't have my own home - an apartment or condo with a reasonable rate would be fabulous. The perks: maintenance isn't up *to you* - if you have a busy life it's perfect.
    Insurance is cheaper, if you choose to get it - no property taxes to pay, either.

    To me the "American Dream" should never have encompassed money-hungry things like autos and homes - *stuff* you can buy or would have to go into debt for (Typical Americanism: dreaming of owning things). I think the American Dream should have stayed focused on a solid eduction - being able to adequately support yourself without needing Mom and Dad's continuing support - or, in your later years, without having to depend on your children to support you.
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