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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

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    There are no votes in such logic. I personally feel that conservatives are trying to do what is truly best for America's poor, but they don't want to hear about "trade schools" and "personal responsibility". Those terms are too hard; it's much easier to just vote the other way and collect the check.
    Sane conservatives, yes, but we have a lot of extreme right that will agree with your post in principle, but balk at paying taxes to accomplish the training required.
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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

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    Her upcoming book sounds like a very interesting read. I will put it on my list and hope to learn from it.

    I suspect she has hit a nerve in the conservative side of American political thought. She is saying that the America we have today is not the America that used to be and the people paying the highest price for it are the middle class. That message is anathema to the elites who make up the leadership of the Republican party and to libertarian thought molders from places like CATO. If it is true, it means we have been screwing up royally over the last thirty years. And who has gained in both wealth and any other measurement of monetary success during that time when the middle class is losing? Surprise, surprise its the same people who tend to vote Republican and support policies which benefit the upper income class.

    This sounds like one terrific book.
    My neighbor, a very religious and great lady, told me that our generation is the first one in modern history to NOT have it better off than our parents. Yes, we might have more technology, but as far as jobs, debt, education, etc, my parents generation had it way better than we do.

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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    My neighbor, a very religious and great lady, told me that our generation is the first one in modern history to NOT have it better off than our parents. Yes, we might have more technology, but as far as jobs, debt, education, etc, my parents generation had it way better than we do.
    how old are you, if i might ask?

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    My neighbor, a very religious and great lady, told me that our generation is the first one in modern history to NOT have it better off than our parents. Yes, we might have more technology, but as far as jobs, debt, education, etc, my parents generation had it way better than we do.
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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    My neighbor, a very religious and great lady, told me that our generation is the first one in modern history to NOT have it better off than our parents. Yes, we might have more technology, but as far as jobs, debt, education, etc, my parents generation had it way better than we do.
    I dont think it is a question of whether or not our children have it better...believe me...mine do...but that there are more and more people who through whatever reasons dont and wont. And if that is going to change people need to consider WHY and address that.

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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

    I am at the forefront of the baby boomers, and I am doing well, but doing well required a continued concious effort for 30 years.
    Too many of us want NOW everything our parents took 20 or 30 years to accumulate, and truth be known, much of what we accumulate in our youth gets put out at yard sales when we get to retirement age.
    Simplicity is the way to go, if we can just get past the idea that we must have everything that our neighbors have.
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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I dont think it is a question of whether or not our children have it better...believe me...mine do...but that there are more and more people who through whatever reasons dont and wont. And if that is going to change people need to consider WHY and address that.

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    Our children have it better, but hardly any of it was just given to them.
    If someone, like one of my siblings, wants to live on the edge of poverty without complaining about it, more power to them for keeping their lives simple. But he never married, never had kids, so for him, simplicity wasn't too hard to accomplish.
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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Our children have it better, but hardly any of it was just given to them.
    If someone, like one of my siblings, wants to live on the edge of poverty without complaining about it, more power to them for keeping their lives simple. But he never married, never had kids, so for him, simplicity wasn't too hard to accomplish.
    Of course not. I attended a seminar featuring Connie Podesta and she pointed out that one of the problems with todays generations is that parents have created their number one goal as providing for their childrens happiness...not teaching them the value of honor, character, integrity, and especially hard work. With those things come happiness.

    I have one time made the mistake of providing cash for a family member struggling. Never again. I will provide love, support, the shirt of my back, budget help, even help with bills, provided that they be active participants. We have taken people into our home but had the expectation that they become part of the family...recieving benefits but also working for those benefits.

    Like you...I didnt walk into blessed security. I worked my ass off for 30 years (and still do). I cant think of a better legacy to pass on to my children. Love...time...and hard work.

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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Of course not. I attended a seminar featuring Connie Podesta and she pointed out that one of the problems with todays generations is that parents have created their number one goal as providing for their childrens happiness...not teaching them the value of honor, character, integrity, and especially hard work. With those things come happiness.

    I have one time made the mistake of providing cash for a family member struggling. Never again. I will provide love, support, the shirt of my back, budget help, even help with bills, provided that they be active participants. We have taken people into our home but had the expectation that they become part of the family...recieving benefits but also working for those benefits.

    Like you...I didnt walk into blessed security. I worked my ass off for 30 years (and still do). I cant think of a better legacy to pass on to my children. Love...time...and hard work.
    Being too generous causes at least 2 things bad, an expectation that it will always be there, and a sense of entitlement.
    We told our kids to take advantage of our offer to pay their college expenses, because it may be the only inheritance they get.
    And speaking of inheritance, we believe in generation skipping, the grandkids get most of it as long as they live up to our expectations, as most of what we give them will be while they are in school learning to become self sufficient...
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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Bah...the American Dream is not 'dead'. It may be out of reach to the lazy and unprepared...but it is definitely not dead. This economy like any other time in history requires that people pay attention to markets and trends. As cool as that degree in PoliSci sounds, unless you plan on being a teacher it wont be worth a dime. But IF you are planning a career in teaching...sure...that option is as available as always. You want a surefire career? Computer design (and not the 2 year university "we guarantee you pass" programs). Healthcare...there are hundreds of fields in the health and human services fields. Management degrees are great as long as you recognize that they mean you will usually start managing a restaraunt or other small business. Looking into the future? Learn to love Geoplotting and design. Project management is as solid a field as ever.

    Hopefully the industrial jobs are brought back to America. We NEED them. Hopefully the government ends the inane bailout process and allows the housing market to correct itself. But working til you are 65 and then retiring (though lets be honest...we as a people are vibrant these days well into our 70's...the retirement age SHOULD shange with the times) is still emminently doable. Buying a home is still very easy.

    We only maintain the current problems if we allow government to continue to grow and stifle individual and national economic growth.
    I'll go one step further on computer jobs and say get a degree in IT security. This field is wide open to anyone who wants to learn how to protect the nation or any major company in banking, insurance, health care, etc, from cyberterrorism.

    As far as death of the American Dream...non-sense. If you want to go to college, buy a house, make a decent living wage or become a multi-millionaire, it's all still there for the taking. You just have to either plan for it, inherit it, work hard for it or luck into it. But it's all still there for those who truly want it. Doubt me? Ask every immigrant - legal or otherwise - who are still coming here in pursuit of that so-called "dead" dream?

    I call BS!
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