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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    This sounds like one terrific book.
    "Terrific book" = "may say things I want to hear." Given the rest of your post, that's quite ironic.
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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Her upcoming book sounds like a very interesting read. I will put it on my list and hope to learn from it.

    I suspect she has hit a nerve in the conservative side of American political thought. She is saying that the America we have today is not the America that used to be and the people paying the highest price for it are the middle class. That message is anathema to the elites who make up the leadership of the Republican party and to libertarian thought molders from places like CATO. If it is true, it means we have been screwing up royally over the last thirty years. And who has gained in both wealth and any other measurement of monetary success during that time when the middle class is losing? Surprise, surprise its the same people who tend to vote Republican and support policies which benefit the upper income class.

    This sounds like one terrific book.
    And as always, it flew right over your head.

    The American Dream is alive and well.....if you want it.

    Not for the lazy, unionized "subprime" folks though. That was a house of cards.

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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    "Terrific book" = "may say things I want to hear." Given the rest of your post, that's quite ironic.
    I will be glad to post a review for you and everyone else here.
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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    And as always, it flew right over your head.

    The American Dream is alive and well.....if you want it.

    Not for the lazy, unionized "subprime" folks though. That was a house of cards.
    Perhaps you missed the entire point - The reality of The American Dream is not measured by if one person, or two persons or a small number of persons can still attain it. It is measured by it it is attainable by the masses of our society. Without reading the book since it is not yet available, I take it that is the message of the author.
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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Perhaps you missed the entire point - The reality of The American Dream is not measured by if one person, or two persons or a small number of persons can still attain it. It is measured by it it is attainable by the masses of our society. Without reading the book since it is not yet available, I take it that is the message of the author.
    I know the American dream does not include subprime mortgages, 2+ years of unemployment benefits, Robin Hood healthcare, and holding your hand out for more gimmes from the government.

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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

    I know of nobody who defines it this way.
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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I know of nobody who defines it this way.
    The "American Dream" is a house with a white picket fence and a two-car garage, two kids, and a quiet little neighborhood. It's just an age-old, Norman Rockwell-like expression. It's still there to be had.

    Now we have massive divorce rates, complete absentee parenting, women having four kids with four different dudes, Bob and Jim trying to get hitched at First Baptist United and adopt little Billy, and all hopefully in the haze of legalized drugs.

    Yep, the American Dream is different for different people.

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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    I said probably. I don't know what you do but I would bet good money I do. I typically work 10-12 hour days 7 days a week working with steel and automotive preassembly, come home work on various design projects on the side, study Japanese and design for a degree, and I do tobacco work when in season (right now we are stripping) and when it snows I shovel sidewalks. What do you do?
    I work with a political consulting firm and just got through running a winning campaign. During the campaign my hours are insane as well. Outside of that I used to give (gave it up though) baseball lessons on the side just because I loved doing it. I also am the co-owner (don't operate them though) in two businesses. I am lucky enough to be able to have taken all of November off (after the election) as well as December and just relax. In January I am starting another project with the consulting firm so my hours will pick back up.

    Also I could honestly give a **** about the pre-defined vision of American dream. The American dream to me is to make money and not have to work your dick in the ground to get to that point. The American dream is to work your dick into the ground until you don't have to work your dick into the ground and make more doing less.
    Sounds as if you are well on your way to that dream after you finish your degree etc... so why is it dead?

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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The "American Dream" is a house with a white picket fence and a two-car garage, two kids, and a quiet little neighborhood. It's just an age-old, Norman Rockwell-like expression. It's still there to be had.

    Now we have massive divorce rates, complete absentee parenting, women having four kids with four different dudes, Bob and Jim trying to get hitched at First Baptist United and adopt little Billy, and all hopefully in the haze of legalized drugs.

    Yep, the American Dream is different for different people.
    True enough...but going back to the OP and Suze's comments (I actually like her BTW...she's a good speaker and very personable 'in person') I still believe the basics are VERY attainable.

    Look...its just a matter of application and hard work. it doesnt happen overnight, but then...it never has. I guarantee you...we can take ANYONE with basic skills and an average IQ (and I mean ANYONE regardless of their current circumstances) and if they are willing to put in the work create for them a plan that in 4-5 years has them in a career that they like with benefits, retirment, and earning a livable wage.

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