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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Absolutely it is, I don't want it to be moreso. Like I said...Pandora's Box.

    I don't see where it is denied to anyone. It's there for the taking, if they really want it.
    Well, if it's already open then you can't close it - there's no point in trying.

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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Our daughter, Bachelors in Economics, tells me I have an abundance of useless knowledge. Times change, I guess SOME or our knowledge no longer has value...
    Just smile at her and tell her that one day (and soon) her own children will look at her and say the exact same thing...

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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

    Speaking of the American Dream, I channel-surfed into a prog by that name this evening, to see an old black guy recalling his war service, how he fought in Europe, was captured and sent to Stalag Luft Three, the "Great Escape" POW camp. He remembered his surprise and pleasure at being treated as an equal by his captors, if not his comrades, and of returning to New York on a troopship after the war ended, and walked down the gangplank to be told "Whites to the right, niggers to the left!" and knowing he was home.
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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Speaking of the American Dream, I channel-surfed into a prog by that name this evening, to see an old black guy recalling his war service, how he fought in Europe, was captured and sent to Stalag Luft Three, the "Great Escape" POW camp. He remembered his surprise and pleasure at being treated as an equal by his captors, if not his comrades, and of returning to New York on a troopship after the war ended, and walked down the gangplank to be told "Whites to the right, niggers to the left!" and knowing he was home.
    Yeah, those Nazis really knew how to treat minorities, didn't they?

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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Yeah, those Nazis really knew how to treat minorities, didn't they?
    Well - we Americans sure know how to treat our own citizens, don't we?

    A bit of sarcasm, there - but it makes the point.
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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Speaking of the American Dream, I channel-surfed into a prog by that name this evening, to see an old black guy recalling his war service, how he fought in Europe, was captured and sent to Stalag Luft Three, the "Great Escape" POW camp. He remembered his surprise and pleasure at being treated as an equal by his captors, if not his comrades, and of returning to New York on a troopship after the war ended, and walked down the gangplank to be told "Whites to the right, niggers to the left!" and knowing he was home.
    For many years the teacher in the room next to mine was an older African American gentleman who was in the army in World War II. As a child, he learned to speak fluent German from a neighbor. When he entered the service, he was made a translator for German Nazi soldiers who were in prison camps in the USA. Periodically he would ride on the bus with them when they were transferred from the first base they were sent to before going to their final place of confinement. This was in the southern part of the USA.

    He related that when they stopped to eat meals at restaurants, the Nazi prisoners were allowed to walk right through the front door of the restaurant, sit at the tables and eat their food. He, a United States citizen wearing the uniform of his nation, had to either go around back and eat in the kitchen or have a plate brought out to the bus for him. He related that when the Nazi prisoners first saw this and realized what was going on they could not believe it.
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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

    Concerning grades and motivating kids, cash worked well for us. Starting in 8th grade, we paid $5 for A's, nothing for B's, and they paid us for C's or lower....
    Between the 2 of them, there was only a few B's in 4 years of school. The amount went up an additinal $5 per year, so by grade 12 an A was worth $20, and an all A report card got a $20 bonus. Honors classes, a B counted as an A.

    I promised the 7 grandkids the same deal, but starting in grade 6. It's gonna be expensive by the time it is all over...
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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

    There have been some very good points made as to why the American Dream is still attainable and why it may not be. Still, from what I've reasoned from the various posts herein, it all boils down to three things:

    1. How hard are YOU willing to work for whatever it is you want out of life?

    2. What sacrafices are YOU willing to made in order to reach that dream?

    3. How ethical are businesses willing to be in order for the inhabitants of this country to seak out an "honest day's work for a hard day's pay?"

    If you believe people are inherently lazy, then it's fair to assume you accept the view that very few people will ever put forth the hard work or dedication it takes to attain item #1.

    If you're unwilling to make the hard sacrafices needed to attain item #1, then you're likely to remain stagnent in life.

    If businesses are conducting themselves ethically, they likely will never have to move overseas to escape frivilious lawsuits in the first place.

    Our industrial and technological world changes every day. Some jobs go away due to advances in technology (i.e., that typewriter repairman or door-to-door vacuum or insurance salesman), but some jobs remain (clerk typist/secretary, court stenographer, land surveyor). The trick is finding something you're good at doing, and doing something you're passionate about. Still, for some it's also about knowing when to set your pride upon the shelf and seak re-education/re-training OR relocating if the skills you have are no longer in demand in the area where you live. Tough calls all around, but we're human...people...mammals. We adapt.

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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

    Good point - Objective.
    When you mention business-ethics that brings up a thought:

    Wages *from businesses* in some areas, as a percentage of their earnings or in relation to the labor they cover, has gone down - or has not risen as much as the inflation of all these others costs and expenses.

    How much did someone earn in construction 50 years ago? What would that pay in "today's dollars" - and is it equivalent to the increase (or decrease) seen in other jobs? If the pay for said work was above-average 50 years ago, but today the pay for that is now below-average . .. then there's a huge disparity right there that does not point to the individual - but the ethics of the employer.
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    Re: Suze Orman: 'The American Dream' Is Dead

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    We did the same with our two. Although I told them that they could go to any college within driving distance and we would pay the tuition and books and could live at home as long as they wanted to. We passed on the older family cars to them as their first car. We did tell that them that if they wanted to live away from home and go away to college, the board cost would be on them. Neither did so and both finished school without owing one penny to anybody for anything.



    So how long did you spend in the service? How did that food compare to your mothers?
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