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    So much for Republican promises

    Senate Republicans' ban on earmarks -- money included in a bill by a lawmaker to benefit a home-state project or interest -- was short-lived.

    Only three days after GOP senators and senators-elect renounced earmarks, Arizona Sen. Jon Kyl, the No. 2 Senate Republican, got himself a whopping $200 million to settle an Arizona Indian tribe's water rights claim against the government.
    Wow. 3 days. Even I didn't expect the GOP to betray their own fake promises that quickly.

    What Earmark Ban? GOP Leader Reaps $200M - CBS News

    TOPEKA, Kan. – Although fixing the economy is the top priority, Republicans who won greater control of state governments in this month's election are considering how to pursue action on a range of social issues, including abortion, gun rights and even divorce laws.
    So much for less government.

    Backlash feared as some in GOP push social issues - Yahoo! News

    Not surprising. The GOP is as utterly worthless as the Dems. It's morbidly amusing though that there are still people out there who think one is better then the other.
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    Re: So much for Republican promises

    Sounds like it's a bit more nuanced than your post implies.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...ort-lived.html
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    Re: So much for Republican promises

    Not really. Kyl basically turned $0 spending into $200 million just for his state. The GOP is going to pretend this isn't an earmark to keep their ban intact.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059123128
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    Re: So much for Republican promises

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Not really. Kyl basically turned $0 spending into $200 million just for his state. The GOP is going to pretend this isn't an earmark to keep their ban intact.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059123128
    You're blaming the GOP for this?

    Kyl's office insists the measure is not an earmark, and the House didn't deem it one when it considered a version earlier this year.
    The Democratic-controlled House considered the measure and determined that it wasn't an earmark. Not sure how you interpret that as proof that the GOP is pretending it's not an earmark for political reasons.

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    The money for the 15,000-member White Mountain Apache Tribe was one of four tribal water rights claims totaling almost $570 million that was added to the $5 billion-plus bill. Black farmers will get about $1.2 billion to settle claims that the Agriculture Department's local offices discriminated against them in awarding loans and other aid. Another $3.4 billion goes to American Indians who say the Interior Department swindled them out of oil, gas and other royalties.
    This money is being allocated as a result of a claim brought against the federal government. Why is it not appropriate that the federal government fund the allocations?

    Do you classify the other $5b being handed out to black and NA farmers as an "earmark"?
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    Re: So much for Republican promises

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    You're blaming the GOP for this?
    The bill or Kyl's amendment? The Bill is Democrat's fault. The $200 million earmark is Kyl's. And it's the GOP's for not cracking down on a violation of their ban.

    The Democratic-controlled House considered the measure and determined that it wasn't an earmark.
    And Reagan called ketchup a vegetable. Merely saying it is not when it fits the bill doesn't change the ugly fact it still is.

    o you classify the other $5b being handed out to black and NA farmers as an "earmark"?
    Was it originally written into the bill and not inserted at the last minute like Kyl's spending? If it was written originally into the bill, it's not an earmark.

    Furthermore, Kyl's spending is not for settling claims, but instead for specific spending projects. he basically tucked in state specific spending under settlement and said it's not an earmark.
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    Re: So much for Republican promises

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    The bill or Kyl's amendment? The Bill is Democrat's fault. The $200 million earmark is Kyl's. And it's the GOP's for not cracking down on a violation of their ban.

    And Reagan called ketchup a vegetable. Merely saying it is not when it fits the bill doesn't change the ugly fact it still is.
    But it certainly does change the ugly claim that the Republicans are somehow being hypocrites or twisting the facts to get this declared a non-earmark for political purposes.

    Was it originally written into the bill and not inserted at the last minute like Kyl's spending? If it was written originally into the bill, it's not an earmark.

    Furthermore, Kyl's spending is not for settling claims, but instead for specific spending projects. he basically tucked in state specific spending under settlement and said it's not an earmark.
    Is the project simply a gratuitous expenditure, or is it designed to settle or offset some portion of the claims against the government?
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    Re: So much for Republican promises

    What's the plan for earmarks that are actually beneficial projects? For example, DeMint has been opposing an earmark for dredging Charleston Harbor. Right now, the port can only service the bigger ships at high tide. If not dealt with, billions of dollars worth of business is going to go somewhere else.
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    Re: So much for Republican promises

    As I understand it most Indian and Native American issues are direct towards the Federal government and they have most of responsibility for handling Native American issues including reservation issues.

    Course its probably not that simple but thats how I understand it.

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    Re: So much for Republican promises

    It is hard to argue with the “republicans are as worthless as democrats point. However since this topic was sort of addressed in a few other threads, I’ll just post my response from there.

    How much did it save the taxpayers? There is pending legislation...and the overall bill was for...what was it...5.4 billion dollars, many of those dollars going to Indians and black farmers in democrat districts...so...was it ALL pork? Or just the 200 million going to Kyl's Indians in Az?

    Come on people...if you arent just playing stupid partisan bull**** games...is it ALL pork or not? Did the Indians have a legitimate (actionable) lawsuit or not? I’m FULL ON WILLING to indict Sen Kyl for his 200 million in 'earmarks'...let’s just make sure we frogmarch all the democrat bastards out there for the remaining 5.2 billion in pork. Or was the money to the black farmers and Indians in those dem districts legit?
    "The money for the 15,000-member White Mountain Apache Tribe was one of four tribal water rights claims totaling almost $570 million that was added to the $5 billion-plus bill. Black farmers will get about $1.2 billion to settle claims that the Agriculture Department's local offices discriminated against them in awarding loans and other aid. Another $3.4 billion goes to American Indians who say the Interior Department swindled them out of oil, gas and other royalties."

    Sens. Max Baucus, D-Mont., and Jeff Bingaman, D-N.M.-black farmers-tribal royalty settlements. $370 million for projects in their states to implement water settlements.

    Again...legit legislation or earmarks? If it is legit...you havent got a leg to stand on. If it is earmarks then lets throw every penny out...no exceptions.

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    Re: So much for Republican promises

    Even when I was a republican I didn't get the anti-earmark issue with the 'I'm 100% anti'

    Sure - some of it is butterfluff that's unnecessary and purely for vote-stoking. But some of it is for legitimate purposes and those things should be ENCOURAGED or at least accepted while the wasteful of selfish spending and taking should be DISCOURAGED.

    Being 100% for or 100% against something that's a 50/50 issue is toxic and impossible to stick to.
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