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    Re: So much for Republican promises

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    What's the plan for earmarks that are actually beneficial projects? For example, DeMint has been opposing an earmark for dredging Charleston Harbor. Right now, the port can only service the bigger ships at high tide. If not dealt with, billions of dollars worth of business is going to go somewhere else.
    How about the companies that are operating at those dock facilites pay to dredge the harbor?
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    Re: So much for Republican promises

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    How about the companies that are operating at those dock facilites pay to dredge the harbor?
    Because its a public good.

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    Re: So much for Republican promises

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    Because its a public good.
    The companies operating in that harbor are making millions. C'mon, Wise! Where'd your Libbo streak go? These outfits are making millions and stand to make millions more, if the harbor remains open. I think it's the least they can do, to throw in a few million--collectively--to insure the harbor stays usable.

    Private companies can't cough a few bucks for themselves and in turn, "the public good"?
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    Re: So much for Republican promises

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    The companies operating in that harbor are making millions. C'mon, Wise! Where'd your Libbo streak go? These outfits are making millions and stand to make millions more, if the harbor remains open. I think it's the least they can do, to throw in a few million--collectively--to insure the harbor stays usable.
    They should pay for it through taxes, and the government being the owner of the that harbor should be responsible for the repairs and/or improvements. Since when do you support the owner of something not being responsible for it?

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    Re: So much for Republican promises

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The companies operating in that harbor are making millions. C'mon, Wise! Where'd your Libbo streak go? These outfits are making millions and stand to make millions more, if the harbor remains open. I think it's the least they can do, to throw in a few million--collectively--to insure the harbor stays usable.

    Private companies can't cough a few bucks for themselves and in turn, "the public good"?
    depending on the costs they would most likely go to some other harbour.

    Depending on how you felt about keeping that one open would determine your opinion about government funds being used to dredge it
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    Re: So much for Republican promises

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    depending on the costs they would most likely go to some other harbour.

    Depending on how you felt about keeping that one open would determine your opinion about government funds being used to dredge it
    Maybe, maybe not. There are alot of logistical issues involved in relocating to another harbor, issues that may not be able to be addressed.

    Pesonally, I think the companies that operate out of Charleston Harbor should dredge their own damn harbor and not use my tax money to do it.

    If that went for any harbor, then relocating would be for naught. Eh?
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    Re: So much for Republican promises

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    They should pay for it through taxes, and the government being the owner of the that harbor should be responsible for the repairs and/or improvements. Since when do you support the owner of something not being responsible for it?
    I'm less concerned with who owns the harbor, than I am with whose making millions from the harbor being kept passable.

    Why does it seem that the Libbos are opposed to these multi-million dollar companies anty'ing up?
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    Re: So much for Republican promises

    We're arguing the same thing. Either way, directly or indirectly, its the corporations paying for whatever upgrade the government wants(since they are the only decision makers in our models).

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    Re: So much for Republican promises

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    We're arguing the same thing. Either way, directly or indirectly, its the corporations paying for whatever upgrade the government wants(since they are the only decision makers in our models).
    No, it's not the same thing. If tax money is used to dredge the harbor, theneveryone is paying, so these companies can keep paying millions. The companies in Charleston Harbor make millions more and don't have to any up a dime more than anyone else.

    The Libbos oughta be nuttin' up, over that little scenario.
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    Re: So much for Republican promises

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    What's the plan for earmarks that are actually beneficial projects? For example, DeMint has been opposing an earmark for dredging Charleston Harbor. Right now, the port can only service the bigger ships at high tide. If not dealt with, billions of dollars worth of business is going to go somewhere else.
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    Even when I was a republican I didn't get the anti-earmark issue with the 'I'm 100% anti'

    Sure - some of it is butterfluff that's unnecessary and purely for vote-stoking. But some of it is for legitimate purposes and those things should be ENCOURAGED or at least accepted while the wasteful of selfish spending and taking should be DISCOURAGED.

    Being 100% for or 100% against something that's a 50/50 issue is toxic and impossible to stick to.
    If it's something that is legitimately important and serves an important federal need, then I don't see why it can't be voted on in its own bill or as part of a larger bill that it belongs to and is discussed openly in.

    My opposition to the earmarking process doesn't come from the fact that I think all the spending is worthless, but from the way in which these earmarks are enacted, with little or no debate and on the backs of unrelated bills. That's why I'm not particularly thrilled with the act in the OP, even if it isn't technically an earmark.
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