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    Re: Happy Thanksgiving! Right Jabs Pilgrims For ... Communism?

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    Re: Happy Thanksgiving! Right Jabs Pilgrims For ... Communism?

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    Re: Happy Thanksgiving! Right Jabs Pilgrims For ... Communism?

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    Re: Happy Thanksgiving! Right Jabs Pilgrims For ... Communism?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    That doesn't really make sense, how does an economic system make a difference to how crops grow? Did the fact they worked together take away the incentive to survive? Did their cattle not like the colour red? What specifically about a communal style made them starve?

    If I recall right, there was a journal of one settler. It talked about how many people slacked off and didn't work very hard on the "commons", and since they were communitarian it was all "commons". Many younger men wondered aloud, the journal said, why they should work their fingers to the bone to support the wives and children of others, when they recieved only "their need" instead of a return proportional to the amount of work they did.

    In short, the lack of incentive lead to a lack of hard work. The communitarian fields, worked by everyone, lead to a "I'll do the minimum necessary, and someone else will pick up my slack" attitude, which lead to a short harvest and a very lean winter in which many died. Lack of incentive, you see.

    When they changed to a private-property, own-your-production (capitalist) system, people had an incentive to work hard. If they worked their own fields, no one else was going to "take up their slack" and if they worked hard at it they KEPT the results of their productivity.

    This is why capitalism produces plenty, and communism/socialism/etc produces "barely enough" and eventually hovers on the edge of starvation.

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    Re: Happy Thanksgiving! Right Jabs Pilgrims For ... Communism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    If I recall right, there was a journal of one settler. It talked about how many people slacked off and didn't work very hard on the "commons", and since they were communitarian it was all "commons". Many younger men wondered aloud, the journal said, why they should work their fingers to the bone to support the wives and children of others, when they recieved only "their need" instead of a return proportional to the amount of work they did.

    In short, the lack of incentive lead to a lack of hard work. The communitarian fields, worked by everyone, lead to a "I'll do the minimum necessary, and someone else will pick up my slack" attitude, which lead to a short harvest and a very lean winter in which many died. Lack of incentive, you see.

    When they changed to a private-property, own-your-production (capitalist) system, people had an incentive to work hard. If they worked their own fields, no one else was going to "take up their slack" and if they worked hard at it they KEPT the results of their productivity.

    This is why capitalism produces plenty, and communism/socialism/etc produces "barely enough" and eventually hovers on the edge of starvation.
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    Re: Happy Thanksgiving! Right Jabs Pilgrims For ... Communism?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    That doesn't really make sense, how does an economic system make a difference to how crops grow?
    it didn't. it makes a difference in how you work.

    Did the fact they worked together take away the incentive to survive?
    no, but remember that their individual survival was no longer tied to their individual labor.

    Did their cattle not like the colour red? What specifically about a communal style made them starve?
    see Post # 25

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    Re: Happy Thanksgiving! Right Jabs Pilgrims For ... Communism?

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    Re: Happy Thanksgiving! Right Jabs Pilgrims For ... Communism?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    That doesn't really make sense, how does an economic system make a difference to how crops grow? Did the fact they worked together take away the incentive to survive? Did their cattle not like the colour red? What specifically about a communal style made them starve?
    Less incentive to work. Less incentive to preserve land that wasn't their's.
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    Re: Happy Thanksgiving! Right Jabs Pilgrims For ... Communism?

    Stossel doesn't appear to understand the difference between working together and coerced cooperation.
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    Re: Happy Thanksgiving! Right Jabs Pilgrims For ... Communism?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    That doesn't really make sense, how does an economic system make a difference to how crops grow? Did the fact they worked together take away the incentive to survive? Did their cattle not like the colour red? What specifically about a communal style made them starve?
    The point is, they didn't work together. Some people did the work and some people sat on their asses and let those people do all the work. Didn't work too well, huh?
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