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Palin's reckless views on obesity

UtahBill said:
As a person with teachers in the family and knowing a bit about this new age of ignorance by our youth, I have to agree
that the curriculum part of our system is out of whack. My own kids, ages 38 and 40, remind me occasionally that much of what I know is no longer usefull. And the grandkids? They think I might have voted for George Washington. REALLY, the 8 year old grandson said that.
When you make kids learn information that stopped being useful 40 years ago, they resent it. In one generation, mine, that has happened at least once. In current generations, it is happening in a shorter time frame.
The DOE should be smaller and more agile and TRY to keep up with things...
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There was an education activist on Colbert last night (used to be the adminstrator of the DC school district. She proposed a radical conversion of the education system...remove the special interest groups and lobbies that dominate the curriculum and get back to actually teaching stuff...silly things like math, english, history, etc...crazy talk!
 
VanceMack said:
And we had to walk uphill to get to the playgrounds. Both ways. In the snow! ;)

Hell...I still remember the day they turned on MTV...and when MTV actually showed music videos!
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What is MTV?:2razz:
 
VanceMack said:
There was an education activist on Colbert last night (used to be the adminstrator of the DC school district. She proposed a radical conversion of the education system...remove the special interest groups and lobbies that dominate the curriculum and get back to actually teaching stuff...silly things like math, english, history, etc...crazy talk!
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Time to bring out the tar and feathers, and a fence rail?
 
UtahBill said:
What is MTV?:2razz:
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Well apparently now MTV is a network with about a dozen affiliates that routinely runs programming non-'Music' related. But it HAS given us national treasures like the cast from Jersey Shore.
 
I think the adults in my classes (like me - or older) are a good example of the mindset about overall education - I shall quote Betty (she's in her 60's) - we're taking developmental algebra together, "I don't know why they're teaching us this crap - it's not like we're going to use it ever."

Jade from my Art History Class, "This class is a waste of time, I don't need to learn about art-history."

Ashton from my Law Class - who refused to buy any of his books, he's content with getting C's in all his classes and graduating as a mediocre student into the health industry, "I know this should be important but I really don't give a damn."

My law teachers, Mr Ray, "I really don't care much about teaching this subject, you all should have a good handle on it by now, so we won't really discuss it." (He was referring to chapters 2, 3, 4, 6 - concerning Ethics and Constitutional Law in Business Contracts and related legalities.)

:shrug: Why - even in conversations WITH my husband - am I one of the FEW people (in my life) that values a well rounded and solid education?

Like Betty - she's back IN SCHOOL and she's a Grandma. Why? Because of her attitude - she never DID care about education and still doesn't - she's only taking classes because she needs something to put towards a new job.

And now - with all the employment issues in the country going on - many people who HAVE degrees are finding they still can't find jobs with them. Why this is - I have no clue - because I was always told that 'any degree is a good degree' and now that's no longer true. WHAT degree you get matters significantly - but tell that to an 18 or 19 year old who has that "I dont' actually care" attitude about work, education and their future.
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
I think the adults in my classes (like me - or older) are a good example of the mindset about overall education - I shall quote Betty (she's in her 60's) - we're taking developmental algebra together, "I don't know why they're teaching us this crap - it's not like we're going to use it ever."

Jade from my Art History Class, "This class is a waste of time, I don't need to learn about art-history."

Ashton from my Law Class - who refused to buy any of his books, he's content with getting C's in all his classes and graduating as a mediocre student into the health industry, "I know this should be important but I really don't give a damn."

My law teachers, Mr Ray, "I really don't care much about teaching this subject, you all should have a good handle on it by now, so we won't really discuss it." (He was referring to chapters 2, 3, 4, 6 - concerning Ethics and Constitutional Law in Business Contracts and related legalities.)

:shrug: Why - even in conversations WITH my husband - am I one of the FEW people (in my life) that values a well rounded and solid education?

Like Betty - she's back IN SCHOOL and she's a Grandma. Why? Because of her attitude - she never DID care about education and still doesn't - she's only taking classes because she needs something to put towards a new job.

And now - with all the employment issues in the country going on - many people who HAVE degrees are finding they still can't find jobs with them. Why this is - I have no clue - because I was always told that 'any degree is a good degree' and now that's no longer true. WHAT degree you get matters significantly - but tell that to an 18 or 19 year old who has that "I dont' actually care" attitude about work, education and their future.
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Kids today have only to look at their parents to see, all too often, that education isn't doing them much good. Speaking just for myself, as a skilled electronics tech and reactor operator, MUCH of what they insisted I learn has never been used outside the classroom. How many schools require geometry? It has such limited use in the real world that it should be a college subject, not high school. English Lit? Whitewashed history?
In my later years I took to reading history and politics. I learned a lot, so much that it makes me sick to realize that much of it was lies, and the true parts only make me aware of how futile it is to try to change directions of the system.
Career politicians are a crime against the people....
 
UtahBill said:
Kids today have only to look at their parents to see, all too often, that education isn't doing them much good. Speaking just for myself, as a skilled electronics tech and reactor operator, MUCH of what they insisted I learn has never been used outside the classroom. How many schools require geometry? It has such limited use in the real world that it should be a college subject, not high school. English Lit? Whitewashed history?
In my later years I took to reading history and politics. I learned a lot, so much that it makes me sick to realize that much of it was lies, and the true parts only make me aware of how futile it is to try to change directions of the system.
Career politicians are a crime against the people....
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Maybe it's how people apply their knowledge that has changed, as well.
I fully intend on making use of my knowledge of law, political, business, math to improve and further my views and my employment standings in the future. So - I want to learn as much as possible. Not so much to earn an A in all my classes - but to have as much knowledge of our world, how it works, and what doesn't work - so I can apply it.

I'm aiming to become an actuary with my degree in Risk Management. . . so maybe I see sociology and all that as a key importance to what I intend on doing.

But before I returned to college I spent most of my time being a sahm - and working on our house. I had to self-teach myself various math formulas and so on so I could draw up new floor plans, apply for permission to build, and then actually plan out our projects and get them done right and done well.

The one thing I thought I'd never used turned out to be the one thing I used all the time - every day (math - geometry, etc)
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Maybe it's how people apply their knowledge that has changed, as well.
I fully intend on making use of my knowledge of law, political, business, math to improve and further my views and my employment standings in the future. So - I want to learn as much as possible. Not so much to earn an A in all my classes - but to have as much knowledge of our world, how it works, and what doesn't work - so I can apply it.

I'm aiming to become an actuary with my degree in Risk Management. . . so maybe I see sociology and all that as a key importance to what I intend on doing.

But before I returned to college I spent most of my time being a sahm - and working on our house. I had to self-teach myself various math formulas and so on so I could draw up new floor plans, apply for permission to build, and then actually plan out our projects and get them done right and done well.

The one thing I thought I'd never used turned out to be the one thing I used all the time - every day (math - geometry, etc)
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geometry?
what part of designing an ordinary house involves oddball shapes? Trig, yes, but geometry?
I designed our last 2 houses...using only basic arithmetic.
 
UtahBill said:
geometry?
what part of designing an ordinary house involves oddball shapes? Trig, yes, but geometry?
I designed our last 2 houses...using only basic arithmetic.
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What did it for me was the rules...and the lack of ability of some of my math professors to be able to explain the rules. For example...a negative x a negative = a positive. OK...but WHY?
(and even though my professor couldnt answer the question, I did...had to write a paper on it...and that is the ONLY way I passed algebra three in college)(and BTW...the answer was found not in math but in electronics theory and design...who knew???)
 
So in the space of what you claim Zimmer can you find any evidence?
 
VanceMack said:
What did it for me was the rules...and the lack of ability of some of my math professors to be able to explain the rules. For example...a negative x a negative = a positive. OK...but WHY?
(and even though my professor couldnt answer the question, I did...had to write a paper on it...and that is the ONLY way I passed algebra three in college)(and BTW...the answer was found not in math but in electronics theory and design...who knew???)
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I was a navy electronics tech, did 9 months of A school and another 9 months of B school. I remember negative numbers, J factors, etc. but again, NEVER used it on the job.
IMO, knowing why is too often knowing too much...if you can USE knowledge to good effect, you make progress. Mathemiticans who know all the whys, proofs, derivations, etc. have their place, but most of us only need to know how to use it, like a tool.
I took first year calculus from a mathematician, hated it, barely got thru it. It took an engineer friend to help me get thru it. Ivory tower professors are much less effective at teaching than people who actually use the knowledge every day.
 
UtahBill said:
I was a navy electronics tech, did 9 months of A school and another 9 months of B school. I remember negative numbers, J factors, etc. but again, NEVER used it on the job.
IMO, knowing why is too often knowing too much...if you can USE knowledge to good effect, you make progress. Mathemiticans who know all the whys, proofs, derivations, etc. have their place, but most of us only need to know how to use it, like a tool.
I took first year calculus from a mathematician, hated it, barely got thru it. It took an engineer friend to help me get thru it. Ivory tower professors are much less effective at teaching than people who actually use the knowledge every day.
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Well...some of those design engineers struggled a bit expalining how identical circuitry could operate different ways using the same 'laws'...but I fully agree...I have learned far more from professors that have practical experience than book and classroom educated professors that can discuss the hell out of theory but have no ability when it comes to real world application.
 
VanceMack said:
Well...some of those design engineers struggled a bit expalining how identical circuitry could operate different ways using the same 'laws'...but I fully agree...I have learned far more from professors that have practical experience than book and classroom educated professors that can discuss the hell out of theory but have no ability when it comes to real world application.
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Agree...but back on topic, how many of us are a little overweight and get told by a FAT DOCTOR to exercise more?
When I see an obese dietician touting healthy living on TV, I get a laugh out of it.
And if we ate all the servings suggested on the food pyramid, we would really need that exercise...
 
UtahBill said:
Agree...but back on topic, how many of us are a little overweight and get told by a FAT DOCTOR to exercise more?
When I see an obese dietician touting healthy living on TV, I get a laugh out of it.
And if we ate all the servings suggested on the food pyramid, we would really need that exercise...
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True...that was the military way (weigh?). Who were the ones that werent subject to the weight standards? Doctors and unit commanders. Oh wait...they really were...wink wink...

I cant tell you the number of athletes I had working for me that ahd to go to the dancing bear programs that were far more fit and had far lower body fat percentages than the admin officer they had to report to each week.

And hasnt it already been pretty firmly established that the food pyramid was just that...a pyramid scheme introduced by the farmers unions way back when?
 
VanceMack said:
True...that was the military way (weigh?). Who were the ones that werent subject to the weight standards? Doctors and unit commanders. Oh wait...they really were...wink wink...

I cant tell you the number of athletes I had working for me that ahd to go to the dancing bear programs that were far more fit and had far lower body fat percentages than the admin officer they had to report to each week.

And hasnt it already been pretty firmly established that the food pyramid was just that...a pyramid scheme introduced by the farmers unions way back when?
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I think the reason catholics eat fish on friday was an effort to help the fishing industry...damn politics is everywhere...
 
UtahBill said:
geometry?
what part of designing an ordinary house involves oddball shapes? Trig, yes, but geometry?
I designed our last 2 houses...using only basic arithmetic.
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Furniture crafting, landscaping, plumbing. . .
Anytime you have to find the angle, location, volume, displacement, area.

Geometry has a huge variety of formulas and so on - I'm sure you use it and don't realize it.
 
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UtahBill said:
Agree...but back on topic, how many of us are a little overweight and get told by a FAT DOCTOR to exercise more?
When I see an obese dietician touting healthy living on TV, I get a laugh out of it.
And if we ate all the servings suggested on the food pyramid, we would really need that exercise...
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Generally, dieticians give out bad diet advice. And I guess they must eat what the recommend.

Another thing is nurses who are very overweight. I see three different types of doctors a couple of times a year, and almost all of the nurses are overweight at the offices. They have to know what they are supposed to be eating. I guess like most Americans they don't care.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
I think the adults in my classes (like me - or older) are a good example of the mindset about overall education - I shall quote Betty (she's in her 60's) - we're taking developmental algebra together, "I don't know why they're teaching us this crap - it's not like we're going to use it ever."

Jade from my Art History Class, "This class is a waste of time, I don't need to learn about art-history."

Ashton from my Law Class - who refused to buy any of his books, he's content with getting C's in all his classes and graduating as a mediocre student into the health industry, "I know this should be important but I really don't give a damn."

My law teachers, Mr Ray, "I really don't care much about teaching this subject, you all should have a good handle on it by now, so we won't really discuss it." (He was referring to chapters 2, 3, 4, 6 - concerning Ethics and Constitutional Law in Business Contracts and related legalities.)

:shrug: Why - even in conversations WITH my husband - am I one of the FEW people (in my life) that values a well rounded and solid education?

Like Betty - she's back IN SCHOOL and she's a Grandma. Why? Because of her attitude - she never DID care about education and still doesn't - she's only taking classes because she needs something to put towards a new job.

And now - with all the employment issues in the country going on - many people who HAVE degrees are finding they still can't find jobs with them. Why this is - I have no clue - because I was always told that 'any degree is a good degree' and now that's no longer true. WHAT degree you get matters significantly - but tell that to an 18 or 19 year old who has that "I dont' actually care" attitude about work, education and their future.
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I have always loved to learn... lol. I guess I am a geek, but I have always liked history, western civ, natural sciences, and philosophy. I can speak two languages, and a some others conversationally.. I never understood why some people freak out in this country when it's mentioned that children should study Spanish. LOL.

I can understand it from the older generations POV.. and it should not be a job requirement for anybody, but it's a second language. It will only help the children to learn it..
 
It seems to me this can be series in and of itself: Palin's reckless views on _____________.
 
I will agree the old food pyramid wasn't as descriptive and put to much emphasis on stuff like pasta that well, is what makes you fat. People didn't eat enough whole grain, enough greens, etc. The current pyramid seems to be about right however I think it would do everyone a service if more emphasis was put on stuff like fish, almonds, collar greens, and that deceptive advertising on what is healthy and "whole grain" was looked at.
 
VanceMack said:
And we had to walk uphill to get to the playgrounds. Both ways. In the snow! ;)

Hell...I still remember the day they turned on MTV...and when MTV actually showed music videos!
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Damn... I remember MTV's first day, too. I remember they had so little "Music News", they replayed the news about the reformation of Iron Butterfly every 15 minutes.
 
JohnWOlin said:
I will agree the old food pyramid wasn't as descriptive and put to much emphasis on stuff like pasta that well, is what makes you fat. People didn't eat enough whole grain, enough greens, etc. The current pyramid seems to be about right however I think it would do everyone a service if more emphasis was put on stuff like fish, almonds, collar greens, and that deceptive advertising on what is healthy and "whole grain" was looked at.
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Well - on that note. I always found the pyramid to be completely useless.
It's too generalized - as you said it emphasizes more carbs than anything else.

But, before they redesigned it - which just emphasizes eating "more fruits and veggies" rather than giving specific serving amounts - it still is just a general guideline and useless.
 
Generalized rules concerning diet are not for everyone, and certainly not me. Whole grains, mulitgrains, high fiber, etc. make me sick. Fiber supplements that claim to not cause gas, gives me gas. I avoid milk, use Almond Breeze milk substitute. Soy milk makes me sick, anything with Soy, I avoid. I am also a bit lactose intolerant. Cheese is OK, a moderate amount of ice cream is OK, milk makes me sick. For breakfast cereals, I only eat gluten free corn chex and rice puffs. White bread made from highly processed wheat is OK in limited amounts. I don't like and won't eat salad veggies (collard greens suck) but like almost all table vegetables, even gas producing broccoli. The wife knows what it does to me, but she feeds it to me anyway, because she likes it. She is a fiber freak, and has no ill effects from it.
If I ate all the stuff the "experts" advise, I would have to avoid open flames....:shock:
 
As for Palin, I don't care much for her as she's obviously has no qualification as a politician for mixing up her "North Korean" ally and her "South Korean" enemy. "Obviously, we've got to support our North Korean allies!" I mean, is she a conservative, or a communist? I'm beginning to question her political theology. Seriously, she's a genius to mix that up
As for her views on obesity, well, I honestly didn't expect much from a conservative who supports communists
 
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