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Palin's reckless views on obesity

apdst said:
No government entity, in this country has outlawed, or wanted to place punitive taxes on things they deem unhealthy? None?
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We are talking about a particular program. Do try and keep up.
 
Redress said:
There is a large, significant, unsubtle difference between saying "you will be healthier if you eat this way" and "you have to eat this way". What is being proposed is the first, what you are claiming is the second.
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Again, my comment was directed to the Rat's comment that government should force people to behave a certain way. My views on the recommendations can be found in post #113.
 
apdst said:
Did JFK pass legislation that forced citizens to meet those standards? Or did he simply promote physical fitness?
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Is Mrs. Obama proposing legislation to force you or me to do anything?
 
SheWolf said:
I read all of that, and it says RECOMMENDATIONS.. and then it says.. so and so should be encouraged.

I didn't read anything that would lead me to believe the government is stepping out of line, is going to take away my fries, or punish me for not being healthy... I saw some things in there that I don't think will work, but that is it.. Now what is the top three points or so that you have the most problems with?
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I guess I'll just have to agree to disagree with those on this thread.
I see the whole thing as a big government wanting to grow even bigger. I see the boogie man around the corner disquised in words like recommended. I feel the "nudge" that no one else seems to feel. Either that or they don't care how big the government grows or how much power it will have over our individual lives. In fact they seem to look forward to it.
 
Barbbtx said:
I guess I'll just have to agree to disagree with those on this thread.
I see the whole thing as a big government wanting to grow even bigger. I see the boogie man around the corner disquised in words like recommended. I feel the "nudge" that no one else seems to feel. Either that or they don't care how big the government grows or how much power it will have over our individual lives. In fact they seem to look forward to it.
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There are plenty of reasons to disagree with many of thing politician do w/o having to make things up to be afraid of. all imho ymmv
Palin's comment is one of the distasteful things that politicians do by exaggerating and fear-mongering.
 
MissLToe said:
Again, my comment was directed to the Rat's comment that government should force people to behave a certain way. My views on the recommendations can be found in post #113.
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His comments are gross. But iirc, he is a fascist after all, so what do you expect?
 
TurtleDude said:
America is full of people who take zero responsibility for our society-in deed there are many who seem to take an active role in trying to F it up
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I'd bet that you and I might disagree on who is ****ing things up, but I do agree with you, completely, on principle. This is why the flow between the individual and society goes both ways. Each has some responsibility towards the other.
 
apdst said:
Did JFK pass legislation that forced citizens to meet those standards? Or did he simply promote physical fitness?
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Did Michelle Obama pass legislation that forced citizens to meet eating standards or is she simply promoting good eating habits?
 
Barbbtx said:
I guess I'll just have to agree to disagree with those on this thread.
I see the whole thing as a big government wanting to grow even bigger. I see the boogie man around the corner disquised in words like recommended. I feel the "nudge" that no one else seems to feel. Either that or they don't care how big the government grows or how much power it will have over our individual lives. In fact they seem to look forward to it.
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Yeah, fear can make you believe in things that aren't really happening.
 
You know - when things go to **** people demand the government *do something!* to fix it.

And when things go to **** and stay that way for 10, 15 and 20 years - and the government does *nothing* about it then many people go 'why the **** aren't you doing anything about this problem!'

So then when the government finally decides to get concerned and involved - other people bawlk and cry 'we don't want you telling us what to do!'

:shrug:

So it's really just like all other issues - you can't please everyone. But in this area it's concerning peoples' health - and people's decisions will affects the government's pre-determined interests and expectations.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
You know - when things go to **** people demand the government *do something!* to fix it.

And when things go to **** and stay that way for 10, 15 and 20 years - and the government does *nothing* about it then many people go 'why the **** aren't you doing anything about this problem!'

So then when the government finally decides to get concerned and involved - other people bawlk and cry 'we don't want you telling us what to do!'

:shrug:

So it's really just like all other issues - you can't please everyone. But in this area it's concerning peoples' health - and people's decisions will affects the government's pre-determined interests and expectations.
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I guess Im just not see the throngs of people clamoring for the government to 'fix' things...especially since they do such a lousy job of it. I think most of the people (at least the people I know) believe that most often things will be made better by the government getting out of the way. Or at the very least, being effective. In this realm, slogans arent going to 'fix' anything. Arnold Swartzenegger was prominently promoted in school fitness programs druing the Bush admin...for all the good it did.
 
apdst said:
Anyone that reads, The Jungle should also remember that it's fiction and Upton Sinclair admits that he made most of it up.
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LINK !!!!
How is it that the president sent in his own inspectors, and found conditions in some places to be worse....

It occurs to me that you think that because the book is fiction, therefore the conditions he writes about are untrue.
Some books are written using fictionalized names, places, etc. to protect the author against lawsuits.
But if you think he won the Nobel Prize by telling lies, you need to check it out a bit more.
 
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apdst said:
Did JFK pass legislation that forced citizens to meet those standards? Or did he simply promote physical fitness?
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who passed legislation you claim?
 
Barbbtx said:
I guess I'll just have to agree to disagree with those on this thread.
I see the whole thing as a big government wanting to grow even bigger. I see the boogie man around the corner disquised in words like recommended. I feel the "nudge" that no one else seems to feel. Either that or they don't care how big the government grows or how much power it will have over our individual lives. In fact they seem to look forward to it.
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What did that say that makes you feel that way.. Point out to me the scariest points in that post, because I am not seeing it. Can you at least do that?
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
This is the comment that stood out to me and is the failure of the positions of folks like you. Of course we are all connected. Like or not, what I do has an impact on others and what others do has an impact on me. Whether we have responsibility for society or not is debatable, but we do not live in a vacuum. Society and the individual exist together.
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Ok, maybe I shouldn't have said we aren't connected, but my point still stands, we have no responsliblity for others well being if we aren't personally involved with them or their situation. I shouldn't have to deal with bans on products that I enjoy because people go out and kill themselves with it like that alcholic energy drink banned recently. On the other hand, if a person goes out and kills someone that strips the know dead person of their life that person should be punished. One is tyranny like you believe, the other is protecting individual rights and liberty of the citizens. Understand?
 
VanceMack said:
I guess Im just not see the throngs of people clamoring for the government to 'fix' things...especially since they do such a lousy job of it. I think most of the people (at least the people I know) believe that most often things will be made better by the government getting out of the way. Or at the very least, being effective. In this realm, slogans arent going to 'fix' anything. Arnold Swartzenegger was prominently promoted in school fitness programs druing the Bush admin...for all the good it did.
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Most people seem to hold the president and the former responsible for fixing the economy.. responsible for fixing the unemployment rate, etc. etc.. I know it's just politics to say one thing when your party is running is the show, but it does appear that people demand the government fix things at one point or another. I thought she was making a good point in that respect.

But I honestly don't believe the government can fix a lot of things, society and individuals are capable of fixing a lot of them. Individuals should be held accountable... Like I said before, being tolerate of parents feeding their kids a bunch of fattening crap is different from saying it's not a crime in America, and shouldn't be a crime to feed your kids a bunch of crap. Partisan sheeple are as much of the problem that government is.. in the sense that they allow themselves to be irrationally led around by the politicians and fear fictional boogeymen.

People are going sit on their a****s and watch pundits on the nightly news as opposed to try and affect real change in society.. that is the real problem IMO and government is playing a role in it
 
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Henrin said:
Ok, maybe I shouldn't have said we aren't connected, but my point still stands, we have no responsliblity for others well being if we aren't personally involved with them or their situation. I shouldn't have to deal with bans on products that I enjoy because people go out and kill themselves with it like that alcholic energy drink banned recently. On the other hand, if a person goes out and kills someone that strips the know dead person of their life that person should be punished. One is tyranny like you believe, the other is protecting individual rights and liberty of the citizens. Understand?
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In the first situation. For that to work, our entire legal system needs to be revamped. If you use a product in a way that harms you, under no circumstances can you sue the manufacturer for your own stupidity... even if the manufacturer has no warnings about not using their product stupidly. See, without that, the stupid person who kills themselves with that drink, affects all of us. So, in todays world, I disagree with you. Because the effects of not banning that product go far and above just you or I... it affects society as a whole. If, however, my suggestion is in place, I would agree with you completely.
 
jamesrage said:
We have cities and states banning happy meal toys, transfat and other stuff and somehow Palin is the nut for suggesting that it is non of the government's damn business what we eat or feed our kids?
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As far as trans fats, why shouldn't a man-made poisonous food additive be bannable?



Here's an example:

I have invented a food preservative that extends prepared food shelf life and keeps food prices down a little. It is finely atomized copper. It works great.

What's that you say? Copper is a metal that's cumulative in your body and causes health problems, so it shouldn't be used?

But it extends shelf life and food is cheaper, and government shouldn't regulate what we eat!



You wouldn't want to eat copper or any other poison in your food, right?

Same with trans fats. They can't be processed properly by the human body and are poisonous over time. And, they are man made and have no place as a food additive.
 
Parents who enable bad behavior by their children, whatever form it takes, take the risk of having those children with them FOREVER.....
 
SheWolf said:
Most people seem to hold the president and the former responsible for fixing the economy.. responsible for fixing the unemployment rate, etc. etc.. I know it's just politics to say one thing when your party is running is the show, but it does appear that people demand the government fix things at one point or another. I thought she was making a good point in that respect.

But I honestly don't believe the government can fix a lot of things, society and individuals are capable of fixing a lot of them. Individuals should be held accountable... Like I said before, being tolerate of parents feeding their kids a bunch of fattening crap is different from saying it's not a crime in America and shouldn't be a crime to feed your kids a bunch of crap. Partisan sheeple are as much of the problem that government is.. in the sense that they allow themselves to be irrationally led around by the politicians and fear fictional boogeymen.

People are going sit on their a****s and watch pundits on the nightly news as opposed to try and affect change in society.. that is the real problem IMO and government is playing a role in it
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When elections roll around there has to be some sort of standard. I would give this or ANY OTHER president MASSIVE kudo's if they would just stand up and say...you know...my job is the exec...congress's job is to legislate...and I'd appreciate it if you stop sending the same retards from both parties and started expecting the ones you sent to do their damn JOB.

No...Congress cant fix everything but it would sure be nice if they stopped contributing so much to the problem.

And frankly...a little blatant honesty would go a long way. "Mom...Dad...little Johnny cant read because you dont expect him to succeed. You reward his inactivity and incompetence and then expect the schools and the government to do your job. You spend squat for time with him, have built no relationship and thus no respect with him, and then you wonder why little Johnny is undereducated, obese, and has zero job prospects. Stop blaming Miss Jones, stop blaming McDonalds...and start looking in the mirror. God bless and good night..."
 
SheWolf said:
What did that say that makes you feel that way.. Point out to me the scariest points in that post, because I am not seeing it. Can you at least do that?
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Sorry, it wasn't your one post, it's a combination of most of the posts on this thread. I'm not getting how most think that Michelle Obama's 70 pt project is nothing to worry about.
I'm worried about the country for all kinds of reasons and think this is just another nudge to get us to behave the way they want us to.
Oh well, Some of you think it's a good idea, I think it's a really bad idea. I hope you all are right.
 
apdst said:
No government entity, in this country has outlawed, or wanted to place punitive taxes on things they deem unhealthy? None?
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The Liberal wackos in San Francisco just made it illegal for happy meals to contain toys because the food ion a Happy meal is less healthy in essence than say broccoli. Because Liberals are not smart enough to feed their own kids they want someone to make it a law that the Government can order you what to eat and not to eat.

It's just more control and a way to grow government and another reason to dump Obama and ignore his dumb ass mate.

Let the personal attacks and name calling begin.
 
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