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Palin's reckless views on obesity

I haven't read the entire thread, so I am confused..

Do those of you siding with Palin 100%, think NOTHING should be done about childhood obesity?

I haven't read anything to the contrary, but I thought I'd ask and give the benefit of the doubt.
 
Palin is doing her best to appeal to the low hanging fruit of the GOP.....but it won't get her elected.
 
I haven't read the entire thread, so I am confused..

Do those of you siding with Palin 100%, think NOTHING should be done about childhood obesity?

I haven't read anything to the contrary, but I thought I'd ask and give the benefit of the doubt.

Let me give you the short version. Conservatives distorted what Michelle Obama said in order to place their brand of partisan hackery in the thread, claiming that she was planning on tryting to do something so that government would have control over what we feed our children. When this was exposed as absurd, they scrambled around, trying to figure out their next move... which was to create the slippery slope that it COULD happen as they are claiming. When THIS was pointed out as ridiculous, they went back into "scramble-mode" once again trying to distort things so they can cover the fact that their position has no basis in reality. This is the extreme conservative model for threads like these.
 
Let me give you the short version. Conservatives distorted what Michelle Obama said in order to place their brand of partisan hackery in the thread, claiming that she was planning on tryting to do something so that government would have control over what we feed our children. When this was exposed as absurd, they scrambled around, trying to figure out their next move... which was to create the slippery slope that it COULD happen as they are claiming. When THIS was pointed out as ridiculous, they went back into "scramble-mode" once again trying to distort things so they can cover the fact that their position has no basis in reality. This is the extreme conservative model for threads like these.

Extreme conservative model? Well, OK, as long as they don't make it their standard model...:(
 
Extreme conservative model? Well, OK, as long as they don't make it their standard model...:(

Exposure of things like this will hopefully help the less extreme conservatives from seeing the absurdity of the more extreme, hackish members of their political persuasion.
 
And this item you're posting here--which has very little to do with Michelle Obama and even less with the govt trying to "take over and make decisions for us"--scares you because...you don't want your doctor to know how tall you are nor how much you weigh?

I was responding to this
In addition, the plan features Fat Panels who will decide if Granny is thin enough to live.

I don't want the GOVERNMENT to be concerned with what my BMI index is from year to year.
It's not their job. It's between me and my doctor.
Who knows if a few yrs down the road when HC is rationed, granny will be refused treatment because of her BMI?
Actually, that's never gonna happen because we kicked Dems asses this year and we'll do it again in 2012.
It's just going to be a pain in the ass repealing all this nanny state crap.
 
When people have demonstrated a pattern of making bad decisions, trusting them to make the right decisions for our future is irrational and dangerous. If we were making the right decisions for our children in the face of the obesity epidemic, there wouldn't be any obesity epidemic for us to worry about.

Getting this country back on track means getting people to behave correctly. If force is the only way the government can accomplish this, so be it.

Holy crap. :shock:

The fact that even ONE person thanked this post is disturbing.
 
Weird how the "stay out of my body" people are all for the government telling them what to put IN their body.
 
Weird how the "stay out of my body" people are all for the government telling them what to put IN their body.

Interesting that some folks are partisan enough to believe that THAT is what Michelle Obama is saying.
 
Holy crap. :shock:

The fact that even ONE person thanked this post is disturbing.

Folks can deny all they like that what affects one person has an impact on society as a whole. Doesn't change the fact that THAT is reality.
 
Holy crap. :shock:

The fact that even ONE person thanked this post is disturbing.

Clearly you don't understand Korimirs politics. I may not even like his point of view sometimes but I have yet to see him be hypocritical or stray from his beliefs.

The true fact of the matter is, if society refuses to take care of themselves, you end up between a rock and a hard place. If society refuses to change, and continues down this gluttenous, greedy and quite frankly self destructive path, what solutions can there be? The obesity crisis shows no signs of stopping or curbing... what can we do?

Now believe me, I'm certainly not in favour of approaches from either extreme side of the spectrum... one, is to let people just carry on as usual, and the other extreme is state mandated diet.

I do not support either of these, but Korimir does have a good point unfortunately, at the end of the day, it is a viable solution, just one that has enourmous potential for abuse, but no more so then handing over out entire food supply to private industry, which in the last 50 years has ****ed us over big time. If you knew how your food was made, and proccessed and the chemicals in it, you'd never ever ever eat again.

Michelle Obama's approach is tempered and moderate. Simply promoting healthier eating.

No Harm No Foul, perhaps doesn't go far enough, and if results aren't seen in the future, Korimirs solution may be the only one we have left.
 
I haven't read the entire thread, so I am confused..

Do those of you siding with Palin 100%, think NOTHING should be done about childhood obesity?

I haven't read anything to the contrary, but I thought I'd ask and give the benefit of the doubt.

Here are my thoughts on the topic:

People are fat because they CHOOSE to be. Everyone knows that broccoli is good for you and Cheetos aren't. We don't need to be educated on healthy choices. It's common sense.

It's not the federal government's job to say "Hey, you really should eat healthy and exercise for the betterment of yourself." NAAAAHHH, REALLY? Gee, I wouldn't have known that if some beaurocrat hadn't told me. Spending millions and billions of dollars on programs to ENCOURAGE eating healthy is a waste of money, IMHO. People are already aware of what is healthy and what isn't. It's a matter of CHOICE.

Now then, I do agree that schools should serve healthy food. There doesn't need to be soda machines or vending machines of any kind at school. The school lunch should be healthy and not loaded with carbs like most school lunches I've seen are. However, I'll give you a dollar if you can get more then 10% of third graders to eat their peas on their tray.

I'm also a HUGE advocate for health education in schools: weighing in, physical tests, P.E. structured more toward fitness than playing games, etc.
 
No, lots of folks can't stand him. The good thing about him not leaving is that we get to vote him out of office in 2013.

He might leave in 2013, but not because he was voted out. If he turns your state around he'll be voted in for as long as he wants to stay.
 
Yes, and I'll turn you in for robbery.:nahnah:

That's IF I took your fries. I don''t take fries. You may just be assuming that I am, so your assault would be without provocation.

Btw... why fries? How about turkey since it IS Thanksgiving. :2razz:
 
I was responding to this
In addition, the plan features Fat Panels who will decide if Granny is thin enough to live.

I don't want the GOVERNMENT to be concerned with what my BMI index is from year to year.
It's not their job. It's between me and my doctor.
Who knows if a few yrs down the road when HC is rationed, granny will be refused treatment because of her BMI?
Actually, that's never gonna happen because we kicked Dems asses this year and we'll do it again in 2012.
It's just going to be a pain in the ass repealing all this nanny state crap.

Granny #1 is 200 pounds over weight, smokes unfiltered Lucky Strikes at the rate of a pack a day, buys 2 cases of beer every week, and goes to the smorgasbord once a week for "all you can eat fried food fiesta".
Granny #2 is normal weight for her age, never smoked, doesn't drink, and eats a reasonable diet.

They both need a heart transplant or they die within the next 6 weeks. They are both a match for the heart that just came into the system.

Who gets it? I think the doctors will decide, and will pick Granny $2. See, we alrealdy have death panels.....real ones, not this fiction that Princess Palin talks about, but a real panel of real doctors...
 
He might leave in 2013, but not because he was voted out. If he turns your state around he'll be voted in for as long as he wants to stay.

If he keeps going the way he's going, he'll get voted out. The only folks who really like him are those on the far right who he panders to. Only reason why he won was that Corzine was too stupid to step away and let someone less corrupt, run (which in Corzine's case could be anyone on the planet).
 
I haven't read the entire thread, so I am confused..

Do those of you siding with Palin 100%, think NOTHING should be done about childhood obesity?

I haven't read anything to the contrary, but I thought I'd ask and give the benefit of the doubt.

I personally think Mrs. Obama is a bit over zealous in try to get people to eat healthier. Palin agrees.here's the down low of how the govt is going to force this down our thraots and make decisions for us:

from http://www.letsmove.gov/pdf/TaskForc...FullReport.pdf


Summary of Recommendations cont

Recommendation 5.1: Developers of local school wellness policies should be encouraged to include strong physical activity components, on par with nutrition components.

Recommendation 5.2: The President’s Challenge should be updated to ensure consistency with the Physical Activity Guidelines for Americans and to ensure ease of use and implementation by schools. Private sector partners with an interest in physical activity should help enroll children in the Presidential Active Lifestyle Award program

Recommendation 5.3: State and local educational agencies should be encouraged to increase the quality and frequency of sequential, age- and developmentally- appropriate physical education for all students, taught by certified PE teachers

Recommendation 5.4: State and local educational agencies should be encouraged to promote recess for elementary students and physical activity breaks for older students, and provide support to schools to implement recess in a healthy way that promotes physical activity and social skill development.

Recommendation 5.5: State and local educational agencies should be encouraged to provide opportunities in and outside of school for students at increased risk for physical inactivity, including children with disabilities, children with asthma and other chronic diseases, and girls

Recommendation 5.6: Federal, state, and local educational agencies, in partnership with communities and businesses, should work to support programs to extend the school day, including afterschool programs, which offer and enhance physical activity opportunities in their programs

Recommendation 5.7: State and local educational agencies should be encouraged to support interscholastic sports and help decrease prohibitive costs of sports by curbing practices such as “pay-to-play,” working with other public and private sector partners.

Recommendation 5.8: Reauthorize a Surface Transportation Act that enhances livability and physical activity.

Recommendation 5.9: The Environmental Protection Agency should assist school districts that may be interested in siting guidelines for new schools that consider the promotion of physical activity, including whether students will be able to walk or bike to school

Recommendation 5.10: Communities should be encouraged to consider the impacts of built environment policies and regulations on human health.

Recommendation 5.11: The Federal Safe Routes to School Program (SRTS) should be continued and enhanced to accommodate the growing interest in implementing Safe Routes to Schools plans in communities.

Recommendation 5.12: “Active transport” should be encouraged between homes, schools, and community destinations for afterschool activities, including to and from parks, libraries, transit, bus stops, and recreation centers.

Recommendation 5.13: Increase the number of safe and accessible parks and playgrounds, particularly in underserved and low-income communities

Recommendation 5.14: The Federal government should continue to support investments in a wide range of outdoor recreation venues, such as National Parks, Forests, Refuges and other public lands, and expand opportunities for children to enjoy these venues.

Recommendation 5.15: Local governments should be encouraged to enter into joint use agreements to increase children’s access to community sites for indoor and outdoor recreation

Recommendation 5.16: The business sector should be encouraged to consider which resources and physical assets like fields and gyms can be used to increase students’ access to outdoor and indoor recreational venues

Recommendation 5.17: Entertainment and technology companies should continue to develop new approaches for using technology to engage children in physical activity
 
I personally think Mrs. Obama is a bit over zealous in try to get people to eat healthier. Palin agrees.here's the down low of how the govt is going to force this down our thraots and make decisions for us:

from http://www.letsmove.gov/pdf/TaskForc...FullReport.pdf


Summary of Recommendations cont

Recommendation 5.1: Developers of local school wellness policies should be encouraged to include strong physical activity components, on par with nutrition components.

Recommendation 5.2: The President’s Challenge should be updated to ensure consistency with the Physical Activity Guidelines for Americans and to ensure ease of use and implementation by schools. Private sector partners with an interest in physical activity should help enroll children in the Presidential Active Lifestyle Award program

Recommendation 5.3: State and local educational agencies should be encouraged to increase the quality and frequency of sequential, age- and developmentally- appropriate physical education for all students, taught by certified PE teachers

Recommendation 5.4: State and local educational agencies should be encouraged to promote recess for elementary students and physical activity breaks for older students, and provide support to schools to implement recess in a healthy way that promotes physical activity and social skill development.

Recommendation 5.5: State and local educational agencies should be encouraged to provide opportunities in and outside of school for students at increased risk for physical inactivity, including children with disabilities, children with asthma and other chronic diseases, and girls

Recommendation 5.6: Federal, state, and local educational agencies, in partnership with communities and businesses, should work to support programs to extend the school day, including afterschool programs, which offer and enhance physical activity opportunities in their programs

Recommendation 5.7: State and local educational agencies should be encouraged to support interscholastic sports and help decrease prohibitive costs of sports by curbing practices such as “pay-to-play,” working with other public and private sector partners.

Recommendation 5.8: Reauthorize a Surface Transportation Act that enhances livability and physical activity.

Recommendation 5.9: The Environmental Protection Agency should assist school districts that may be interested in siting guidelines for new schools that consider the promotion of physical activity, including whether students will be able to walk or bike to school

Recommendation 5.10: Communities should be encouraged to consider the impacts of built environment policies and regulations on human health.

Recommendation 5.11: The Federal Safe Routes to School Program (SRTS) should be continued and enhanced to accommodate the growing interest in implementing Safe Routes to Schools plans in communities.

Recommendation 5.12: “Active transport” should be encouraged between homes, schools, and community destinations for afterschool activities, including to and from parks, libraries, transit, bus stops, and recreation centers.

Recommendation 5.13: Increase the number of safe and accessible parks and playgrounds, particularly in underserved and low-income communities

Recommendation 5.14: The Federal government should continue to support investments in a wide range of outdoor recreation venues, such as National Parks, Forests, Refuges and other public lands, and expand opportunities for children to enjoy these venues.

Recommendation 5.15: Local governments should be encouraged to enter into joint use agreements to increase children’s access to community sites for indoor and outdoor recreation

Recommendation 5.16: The business sector should be encouraged to consider which resources and physical assets like fields and gyms can be used to increase students’ access to outdoor and indoor recreational venues

Recommendation 5.17: Entertainment and technology companies should continue to develop new approaches for using technology to engage children in physical activity

You do notice that each one of these points starts off with the word "Recommendation" and has the words "should" or "encourage" in them. Please point out where ANY of these things are "decrees".
 
Interesting that some folks are partisan enough to believe that THAT is what Michelle Obama is saying.

I was referring to the people who thanked the Rat's post.
 
I was referring to the people who thanked the Rat's post.

Kori's positions on things are quite unique. Interestingly enough, I'm certain he can find consistency in that. As for me, it always comes down to what helps the individual AND society both. Which is more important depends on the situation.
 
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Clearly you don't understand Korimirs politics. I may not even like his point of view sometimes but I have yet to see him be hypocritical or stray from his beliefs.

The true fact of the matter is, if society refuses to take care of themselves, you end up between a rock and a hard place. If society refuses to change, and continues down this gluttenous, greedy and quite frankly self destructive path, what solutions can there be? The obesity crisis shows no signs of stopping or curbing... what can we do?

Now believe me, I'm certainly not in favour of approaches from either extreme side of the spectrum... one, is to let people just carry on as usual, and the other extreme is state mandated diet.

I do not support either of these, but Korimir does have a good point unfortunately, at the end of the day, it is a viable solution, just one that has enourmous potential for abuse, but no more so then handing over out entire food supply to private industry, which in the last 50 years has ****ed us over big time. If you knew how your food was made, and proccessed and the chemicals in it, you'd never ever ever eat again.

Michelle Obama's approach is tempered and moderate. Simply promoting healthier eating.

No Harm No Foul, perhaps doesn't go far enough, and if results aren't seen in the future, Korimirs solution may be the only one we have left.

Why is everything a crisis to those on the left? "Never let a good crisis to waste, so you can do things you never were able to do before?" or maybe if you don't have a good crisis then manufacture one so you can further your agenda?
 
Why is everything a crisis to those on the left? "Never let a good crisis to waste, so you can do things you never were able to do before?" or maybe if you don't have a good crisis then manufacture one so you can further your agenda?

This post is ironic considering Palin's comments and many of the distortions we've seen from those on the right in this thread.
 
You do notice that each one of these points starts off with the word "Recommendation" and has the words "should" or "encourage" in them. Please point out where ANY of these things are "decrees".

Yes I do. Recommended can be turned to "shall" very easily by this corrupt administration. The word "shall" is in the HC bill thousands of times.
 
Yes I do. Recommended can be turned to "shall" very easily by this corrupt administration. The word "shall" is in the HC bill thousands of times.

Ah... slippery slope argument. Good to know.
 
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