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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    I'm pretty sure if Jefferson, Hamilton, Madison, etc saw how totally screwed people are in the heads right now they would add a few things here and there. They also would have been asking Biden why his slave was so nicely dressed.
    Yeah, they would think how immature, lazy and illiterate our citizenship has become, and then raise the voting age.

    They would wonder how in the world the federal government could end up being a massive, unaccountable conglomerate; the nation’s largest creditor, debtor, lender, employer, consumer, contractor, grantor, property owner, tenant, insurer, health-care provider and pension guarantor”.

    Where in the constitution did we put this crap in they would ask one another? What happened to limited government? Liberty? Since when is the government allowed to tell businesses and people what candles (light bulbs) and toilets they can have?

    Then they'd say stupid is as stupid does and turn over in their graves.



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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Yeah, they would think how immature, lazy and illiterate our citizenship has become, and then raise the voting age.

    They would wonder how in the world the federal government could end up being a massive, unaccountable conglomerate; the nation’s largest creditor, debtor, lender, employer, consumer, contractor, grantor, property owner, tenant, insurer, health-care provider and pension guarantor”.

    Where in the constitution did we put this crap in they would ask one another? What happened to limited government? Liberty? Since when is the government allowed to tell businesses and people what candles (light bulbs) and toilets they can have?

    Then they'd say stupid is as stupid does and turn over in their graves.



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    Wow a graph that shows federal spending that doesn't take into account inflation, and that nearly all of that spending you are showing, shows that no matter what the party, they have all pretty much been assholes the past 25 years.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Wow a graph that shows federal spending that doesn't take into account inflation, and that nearly all of that spending you are showing, shows that no matter what the party, they have all pretty much been assholes the past 25 years.

    Yeah, we're not taxing and spending enough. We've got no spending problem. From Washington and Adams, they said... spend baby spend. And you keep defending government's intrusion.
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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post

    Yeah, we're not taxing and spending enough. We've got no spending problem. From Washington and Adams, they said... spend baby spend. And you keep defending government's intrusion.
    U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

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    I don't think anyone really thinks we're not spending too much money. But the real disagreement is over what we're spending it on. For example, I want us to stop spending so much money killing brown people. You probably want us to stop spending money on public services and assistance for the poor. Which in turn leads to more dead brown people. Really it all comes down to how many brown people you want in the world.
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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post

    Yeah, we're not taxing and spending enough. We've got no spending problem. From Washington and Adams, they said... spend baby spend. And you keep defending government's intrusion.
    U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

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    I will admit that as a democrat, Obama, Clinton, etc has contributed to this. Where is the part that you admit that the people you stroke to in the toilet contributed to this?
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    The only thing Palin is good for is beating fish.

    Here are some facts about obesity:
    "...Among preschool children aged 2–5, obesity increased from 5.0% to 10.4% between 1976–1980 and 2007–2008 and from 6.5% to 19.6% among those aged 6–11. Among adolescents aged 12–19, obesity increased from 5.0% to 18.1% during the same period.

    Obesity Prevalence Among Low-Income, Preschool-Aged Children 1998–2008:
    One of 7 low-income, preschool-aged children is obese, but the obesity epidemic may be stabilizing. The prevalence of obesity in low-income two to four year-olds increased from 12.4 percent in 1998 to 14.5 percent in 2003 but rose to only 14.6 percent in 2008...read
    Obesity and Overweight for Professionals: Data and Statistics | DNPAO | CDC
    33% of the country is obese. Another 35% are overweight. That is more than half the country. Obesity is one of the main reasons medical costs are going up for everyone. Employers don't like to hire obese people because of the stigma that they are lazy and unreliable because of their health problems. As a consequence the obese tend to become unproductive citizens and dependent on the state aka taxpayers to survive.....

    Economic costs of obesity to taxpayers:
    Overweight and obesity and their associated health problems have a significant economic impact on the U.S. health care system (USDHHS, 2001). Medical costs associated with overweight and obesity may involve direct and indirect costs (Wolf and Colditz, 1998; Wolf, 1998). Direct medical costs may include preventive, diagnostic, and treatment services related to obesity. Indirect costs relate to morbidity and mortality costs. Morbidity costs are defined as the value of income lost from decreased productivity, restricted activity, absenteeism, and bed days. Mortality costs are the value of future income lost by premature death.

    National Estimated Cost of Obesity
    According to a study of national costs attributed to both overweight (BMI 25–29.9) and obesity (BMI greater than 30), medical expenses accounted for 9.1 percent of total U.S. medical expenditures in 1998 and may have reached as high as $78.5 billion ($92.6 billion in 2002 dollars) (Finkelstein, Fiebelkorn, and Wang, 2003). Approximately half of these costs were paid by Medicaid and Medicare.
    Obesity and Overweight for Professionals: Economic Consequences | DNPAO | CDC
    Not having access to nutrional food and produce is one of the lead contributing factors to obesity....

    •According to the 2008 Rudd Report from Yale University, low-income areas have fewer supermarkets and grocery stores that carry healthy foods compared to higher income areas. Additionally, stores in lower income communities tend to stock less produce and have lower quality produce. Public transportation in these communities can be a barrier for some people to get access to healthy foods, and the cost associated with buying healthier food is another cause of unhealthy eating behaviors in low-income communities.
    Effects

    •In 2009, two thirds of the American population were either overweight or obese, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Low-income communities, and minorities in particular, have higher rates of obesity and diabetes. According to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, the lack of affordable, healthy foods is directly linked to obesity and diabetes in low-income communities. Fast food restaurants are prevalent in low-income communities, and many people turn to this type of restaurant because of the cheap, convenient food; however, fast food only increases the problem.....
    Read more: Low Income & Its Effect on Healthy Eating | eHow.com Low Income & Its Effect on Healthy Eating | eHow.com

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I don't think anyone really thinks we're not spending too much money. But the real disagreement is over what we're spending it on. For example, I want us to stop spending so much money killing brown people. You probably want us to stop spending money on public services and assistance for the poor. Which in turn leads to more dead brown people. Really it all comes down to how many brown people you want in the world.
    Tell me how does these programs help people when you have generations on these programs? When their situation hasn't much improved since their passing. How does any of these programs not just make things worse? The race argument you might think is helpful to you, but if you actually realized what these programs did to minorites, you wouldn't make it.

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Tell me how does these programs help people when you have generations on these programs? When their situation hasn't much improved since their passing. How does any of these programs not just make things worse? The race argument you might think is helpful to you, but if you actually realized what these programs did to minorites, you wouldn't make it.
    The generational problem you mention stems from redlining low income areas which kept minorities from buying homes, starting businesses or even getting a job so they couldn't accumulate enough wealth to pass on to their children. It's bad enough that our economic system isn't fair to minorities, but now you are suggesting we let the children born into such a system suffer so they won't even have their health?

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The generational problem you mention stems from redlining low income areas which kept minorities from buying homes, starting businesses or even getting a job so they couldn't accumulate enough wealth to pass on to their children. It's bad enough that our economic system isn't fair to minorities, but now you are suggesting we let the children born into such a system suffer so they won't even have their health?
    The act is illegal and has been for almost fifty years. The cases for it have been in the decline now for decades and rarely happen these days. So why is it that the problem has not gotten any better?

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The act is illegal and has been for almost fifty years. The cases for it have been in the decline now for decades and rarely happen these days. So why is it that the problem has not gotten any better?
    Because the problem has been 150 years in the making and contrary to your claim that the act of redlining has been in decline and illegal for fifty years, it is still alive and well....
    "...The trend toward fewer, bigger stores located outside cities has continued to the present. Some critics have referred to this disinclination of large chains to locate in cities as `supermarket redlining''. Changes in food availability are a key element in the changing social conditions of the urban poor and, as good nutrition is critical for good health, a contributing factor in the decline of urban health...."
    SpringerLink - GeoJournal, Volume 53, Number 2
    If a child has poor health, they are less likely to finish school, get a good job or even work when they get older.

    And of course there's reverse redlining where banks target blacks to charge them more than they would charge a similarly situated white consumer....

    Bank Accused of Pushing Mortgage Deals on Blacks

    "....“Wells Fargo mortgage had an emerging-markets unit that specifically targeted black churches, because it figured church leaders had a lot of influence and could convince congregants to take out subprime loans.”....

    These loans, Baltimore officials have claimed in a federal lawsuit against Wells Fargo, tipped hundreds of homeowners into foreclosure and cost the city tens of millions of dollars in taxes and city services."....read
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/07/us/07baltimore.html

    The Recession’s Racial Divide
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/13/op...hrenreich.html
    Charging the poor more money for mortgages, insurance, services and even food than the more affluent, is why the poor stay poor.

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