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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Zimmer maybe it's because I am listening to it quite a bit nowadays, but you remind me of this song:



    It's amazing what you find face to face.
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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

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    zimmer it is evident from you're post here and everywhere else on this forum that you are pretty slick. The kind of slick you would normally expect out of a guy from the hills of West Virginia, but somehow you have been able to encapsulate all the negative sideways thinking that the conservatives sometimes do and epitomize it in a way that well has no real words. So instead I give you this:

    Does this make any ****ING SENSE WHAT SO ****ING EVER?!?!? No.

    DO YOU?

    No.
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Zimmer maybe it's because I am listening to it quite a bit nowadays, but you remind me of this song:

    YouTube - daft punk - face to face

    It's amazing what you find face to face.
    John,

    You failed to debate anything, but instead choose to attack the poster for kicking your sorry ass all over DP. I don't mind barbs, or ridicule, but it has to accompany a point being debated.

    As for your "slick" comment... I'll take that as a compliment. In reality it's called knowing your opponent (I used to be a lib so I know you folks well), knowing the facts, having a pretty sharp memory, remaining engaged in political discourse for the better part of 3-decades, and being intellectually honest, therefore consistent.

    I realize it's tough to debate someone bringing that skill set to the podium, but try to man up. And be intellectually honest that your positions are emotion based, not intellectual. Be open minded. Below I've posted something you and a lot of other young Libs should take to heart.

    Now, did you have something to say, or are we going to remain in the 4th grade?

    Another thing I think should be avoided is extremely intense ideology because it cabbages up one’s mind. You see it a lot with T.V. preachers (many have minds made of cabbage) but it can also happen with political ideology. When you’re young it’s easy to drift into loyalties and when you announce that you’re a loyal member and you start shouting the orthodox ideology out, what you’re doing is pounding it in, pounding it in, and you’re gradually ruining your mind.

    So you want to be very, very careful of this ideology.

    It’s a big danger. In my mind, I have a little example I use whenever I think about ideology. The example is these Scandinavia canoeists who succeeded in taming all the rapids of Scandinavia and they thought they would tackle the whirlpools of the Aron (sp) Rapids here in the United States. The death rate was 100%. A big whirlpool is not something you want to go into, and I think the same is true about a really deep ideology. I have what I call an iron prescription that helps me keep sane when I naturally drift toward preferring one ideology over another and that is: I say that I’m not entitled to have an opinion on this subject unless I can state the arguments against my position better than the people who support it. I think only when I’ve reached that state am I qualified to speak. This business of not drifting into extreme ideology is a very, very important thing in life.

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    Now I used to be as far left as Obama in my youth but kept an open mind, and it took years to change my perspective. I didn't seek to change it, I had intellectual curiosity and it happened as I became more educated on issues and traveled the world. The last big one to fall for me was Socialist Healthcare... having given up on that in 1992, a good many years after my conversion began.

    My journey to conservatism was an intellectual pursuit, took many years, and there is nothing that has come by over the years to support changing it. The empirical data is there, and if you travel you don't even need that. Fortunately I've been exposed to both.

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    You see I have brought my points to this thread though and they were not enough for you. You tell me I am insulting you, but you use terminology with insulting insinuation towards other forum members, myself included.

    Let me reiterate what I have brought up on this thread, and other threads with similar subject manner, so that you can deny it has any point once again:

    -Palin is an idiot and will attack anybody just so someone pays attention to her. She is a whore.

    -Every first lady has a cause, I had no problem in Laura Bush's cause of reading as well, she was a librarian made sense. Just as Mrs. Obama is a fit woman it makes sense she would do this.

    -The NFL does something similar in which they encourage kids go out and play, no one seems to have qualms about that. Not only that, we live in a society where billions is spent to make you feel bad for being fat and no one has a problem with that, despite the same companies getting you fat are the same ones coming out with the fat-free versions and skinny jeans.

    -Something like this has a domino effect. If you teach children and parents healthy habits, or reteach them because they might not honestly know then it makes their lives better, they save money, insurance companies save money, insurance rates go down, and you have an overall happier, healthier nation.

    You seem to think that I am in full line with the liberal Democrat agenda. This could be further from the truth. I use common sense. Common sense tells me that encouraging kids to get off their ass, go climb trees and get hurt every once in awhile, eating healthy stuff, etc is a very good thing.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

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    You see I have brought my points to this thread though and they were not enough for you.
    You brought points to the thread I dismissed. The government isn't designed to be a Nanny, and in doing so it's become an overbearing Ninny, breeding more of the same. People that look to government for cures for all their ills... what a pathetic way to go through life... as a parasite of the Ninny State.

    You tell me I am insulting you, but you use terminology with insulting insinuation towards other forum members, myself included.
    Read my previous post; the opening lines. Barbs and ridicule are part of debate, so long as they are relevant to the topic and discussion. They serve their purpose, unglueing individuals when the truth comes close to home, as UtahBill has recently revealed. This "moderate", has become a little excited and revealed line by line he's nothing more than a Pelosi, Reid, Obama Leftist. He sounds like one.

    Let me reiterate what I have brought up on this thread, and other threads with similar subject manner, so that you can deny it has any point once again:

    -Palin is an idiot and will attack anybody just so someone pays attention to her. She is a whore.
    "Whore"?
    That Cap'in Courtesy gave you a thanks on this post with such drivel of a couple of paragraphs illustrates the level of intelligence he believes is deserving of respect and attaching his name to.

    I've made the case why Palin could win, and have linked and posted why. Reason after reason. She's gaffed less than Obi, is Reagan-like, holds similar views as Reagan and has received similar ridicule from the same culprits... from country club R's like Barbara Bush and all the lefties. The following article is a well reasoned argument why Palin could whoop Obama's lame ass. Right now she's 41-41 against The Hollow One.

    The Palin Ultimatum
    ...

    One of the more ridiculous examples of “common wisdom” echoed by the pundits these days is the idea that Sarah Palin can never be president.

    I’m certainly not a particular fan of hers, but to think she cannot be elected is to be in complete denial both of politics and of the state of the nation today.

    While polls show the general public is indeed sour on the idea of a President Palin — so far — what the general public thinks doesn’t matter in a primary. Palin, with her virtual 100 percent name ID...

    The second part of the equation, the election itself, is also not out of the question for Palin. Politics, like basketball, is all about the matchup. You don’t have to be incredibly popular, just more popular than the other guy (or girl).

    If unemployment continues at very high levels, and if President Obama continues his tepid, feckless ways — so bizarre considering the lofty rhetoric of civic engagement that got him into office — Palin doesn’t have to be wildly popular to beat him. She just has to be a viable alternative for a plurality of voters.

    The secret the Obama team probably wouldn’t prefer to be widely known is the fact that Obama, even at the peak of his popularity, has never been popular with white voters — and I don’t mean just Southern white voters.

    The only white demographic Obama won in 2008 was the 18–29 age group. In the recent midterms, Democrats were destroyed among white voters, getting only 38 percent of the white vote nationwide.
    ...

    It’s become a cliché of American life that George W. Bush wasn’t a very smart guy. But Bush was certainly smart enough to know who his supporters were and to keep them happy — or if not happy, at least engaged.

    The first thing Obama did once in office, however, was completely ignore the young voters who provided his margin of victory — the bulk of whom did not show up to vote for Democrats this Nov. 2.

    So who’s the dumb one?

    Like Bush, Palin is also not book–smart. But also like Bush, she is street–smart. And in politics, the streetfighters always win in the end.
    -Every first lady has a cause, I had no problem in Laura Bush's cause of reading as well, she was a librarian made sense. Just as Mrs. Obama is a fit woman it makes sense she would do this.
    They can have all the causes they want, but not with taxpayers money. I said it about Laura, and said it about Michelle. If they want a cause, get the private sector to fund it. Nothing in the constitution says the First Lady is permitted to fund her cause through the public trough.

    -The NFL does something similar in which they encourage kids go out and play, no one seems to have qualms about that.
    Doh... The NFL is a private enterprise. It's not taking taxpayers money, it generates it... and how!

    Not only that, we live in a society where billions is spent to make you feel bad for being fat and no one has a problem with that, despite the same companies getting you fat are the same ones coming out with the fat-free versions and skinny jeans.
    Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. So what do you want to do? Have government controlled jeans factories, or Chairman Mao Suits, and the government to have Food Police for every house and on every corner? What ever happened to personal responsibility?

    -Something like this has a domino effect. If you teach children and parents healthy habits, or reteach them because they might not honestly know then it makes their lives better, they save money, insurance companies save money, insurance rates go down, and you have an overall happier, healthier nation.
    Again, the parents responsibility or some non-profit or for profit group, but not the Feds. As I noted they assisted in increasing obesity 61% in 11-years with their ****ed up food pyramid!!!!
    You seem to think that I am in full line with the liberal Democrat agenda. This could be further from the truth. I use common sense.
    The easiest person to fool is yourself, and you're doing a masterful job.

    Common sense tells me that encouraging kids to get off their ass, go climb trees and get hurt every once in awhile, eating healthy stuff, etc is a very good thing.
    You don't think people know it's good for kids to get out of the house? you don't need government intruding and wasting billions. But it's up to the parents to do this... not the government, for when government does it... it's wasted money.

    Just look at that wondrous Food Pyramid and all the good it has done... or virtually any other government program.

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Like I said. You dismiss everything and anything, believe there is some kind of agenda behind it, etc. I'm done arguing anything to you because I am wasting time, just as you would be wasting your time on me.

    You have no points, you use no common sense, your only point is you hate America and healthy people. I understand it I just don't get it.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Like I said. You dismiss everything and anything, believe there is some kind of agenda behind it, etc. I'm done arguing anything to you because I am wasting time, just as you would be wasting your time on me.
    I used to be like you and I know why I stopped being like you. It's an intellectually bankrupt position. It's full of emotion, which you falsely associate with common sense. Just as Obama dismisses the fact when Cap Gains rates dropped, revenues increased. No, for "fairness" he would want to raise the rates. That is idiocy. It's class warfare idiocy.

    You have no points, you use no common sense, your only point is you hate America and healthy people. I understand it I just don't get it.
    I love America, and believe people have responsibility to themselves. Government has gotten involved in "health" and as I pointed out with empirical evidence, 61% became more obese in short 11-years. They pointed millions in the wrong direction, and the damage is deep. People still believe their BS.

    You attach yourself to emotion, ignoring the facts. The Constitution has been perverted, the concept of limited government trashed, and folks like you think the government should be The Great Equalizer and Nanny. It's both sad and selfish. It is ruining the country, and the American fabric.

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I used to be like you and I know why I stopped being like you. It's an intellectually bankrupt position. It's full of emotion, which you falsely associate with common sense. Just as Obama dismisses the fact when Cap Gains rates dropped, revenues increased. No, for "fairness" he would want to raise the rates. That is idiocy. It's class warfare idiocy.

    I love America, and believe people have responsibility to themselves. Government has gotten involved in "health" and as I pointed out with empirical evidence, 61% became more obese in short 11-years. They pointed millions in the wrong direction, and the damage is deep. People still believe their BS.

    You attach yourself to emotion, ignoring the facts. The Constitution has been perverted, the concept of limited government trashed, and folks like you think the government should be The Great Equalizer and Nanny. It's both sad and selfish. It is ruining the country, and the American fabric.

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    Yawn. Let me know when you quit going in repeat, talking about a country that never existed.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Yawn. Let me know when you quit going in repeat, talking about a country that never existed.. since you were born.
    I'll keep repeating the truth, and shoving the constitution in your face. You know, the thing our elected officials swear to uphold... but have done a marvelous job ignoring.

    It looks like we're in for a roll-back. People seem pretty tired of people like you advocating government intrusion in every aspect of our lives.
    Y'know, Greece seems like a nice place for you.

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I'll keep repeating the truth, and shoving the constitution in your face. You know, the thing our elected officials swear to uphold... but have done a marvelous job ignoring.

    It looks like we're in for a roll-back. People seem pretty tired of people like you advocating government intrusion in every aspect of our lives.
    Y'know, Greece seems like a nice place for you.

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    I'm pretty sure if Jefferson, Hamilton, Madison, etc saw how totally screwed people are in the heads right now they would add a few things here and there. They also would have been asking Biden why his slave was so nicely dressed.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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