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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    For those of you scoffing at current food pyramid here is what it says on MyPyramid.gov - United States Department of Agriculture - Home

    Grains: Make at least 3 of your 6 ounces of grains whole, wheat, etc. I could see a big problem there saying to just split it up.

    Vegetables: About as much as grains and suggest dark greens and orange veggies which are well, very healthy.

    Fruits: It just says eat a bunch basically...

    Oils: Limit them obviously but says to try and get them from fish, nuts, olive oil

    Milk: Nasty fat-free milk

    Meat: Suggest fish and poultry heavily

    Is it perfect? Not by a long shot but it is much more in line with what we know now helps most people keep a balanced diet.
    They have gotten better with the pyramid thing, but it still isn't accurate. You don't need milk, fish or poultry at all to be healthy. If you want to eat these things, fine, but all the protein, omega 3 and other nutrients you require can be obtained without any animal product in your diet.

    People who do eat animal products should only have, like you said, skim milk, and things like egg whites and maybe a little fish. We get a lot more fat and protein than we need from the typical American diet. We tend to overdo it in this country. More is better, except it isn't. Its really unhealthy.
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    "Obsessions on the constitution"... LOL... that is a damn revealing comment. At least you admit you don't think much of the it, and therefore I suppose you believe it can be ignored when it stands in the way of your beliefs. If so, you Pelosi, Obama and every other SAP have a lot in common.

    Nothing naive about giving control to the localities. It's been proven the distant behemoth does a poor job.

    When parents can choose where to send their kids, the pressures of the marketplace would help weed out poor performers. Poor performing schools, adminstrators and teachers.

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    The president who has done the most to violate the constitution is your old friend, George W. Bush. He got the nation involved in a war knowing he had bogus intelligence. And he got that bogus info because he WANTED it, and made sure everyone knew it.
    The constitution is a living document, not cast in stone as of its origin date. Like the bible, a dead document, it gets abused by zealots to further their own agenda. And when parents can further THEIR agenda by raising children in the image of their own ignorance, this country will fall apart. But ubercons who worship at the feet of Beck, Limbaugh, and other like minded greedy pundits, they won't accept the blame for all the money they borrowed from our grandchildren to live well today. They will blame it on Obama.
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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    "Obsessions on the constitution"... LOL... that is a damn revealing comment. At least you admit you don't think much of the it, and therefore I suppose you believe it can be ignored when it stands in the way of your beliefs. If so, you Pelosi, Obama and every other SAP have a lot in common.

    Nothing naive about giving control to the localities. It's been proven the distant behemoth does a poor job.

    When parents can choose where to send their kids, the pressures of the marketplace would help weed out poor performers. Poor performing schools, adminstrators and teachers.

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    People have a choice where they can send their kids in my community.. public school or private.. and if they want the public school in the district over, they have to pay tuition..

    Its not accurate to say it's a failure of too much government on their back... Parents have a role and a responsibility to play in their child's education. Don't lay it all on the government to screw up and blame, and then tell the gov to fix it.. by getting out. That is still showing a lack of personal responsibility and accountability...

    I am also a firm believer in the fact that some people aren't cut out to be parents and shouldn't have kids... Some parents don't parent and don't teach their kids basic manners, morals, hygiene, or how to study. Such children will only cost society more in the future, so it's better to let people decide weather or not they'll have kids.. not the government. The government can't force people to be good parents or force them to feed their kids..
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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I am also a firm believer in the fact that some people aren't cut out to be parents and shouldn't have kids... Some parents don't parent and don't teach their kids basic manners, morals, hygiene, or how to study. Such children will only cost society more in the future, so it's better to let people decide weather or not they'll have kids.. not the government. The government can't force people to be good parents or force them to feed their kids..
    But the govt does stand by and let some parents corrupt the minds of those children.
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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    The president who has done the most to violate the constitution is your old friend, George W. Bush. He got the nation involved in a war knowing he had bogus intelligence.
    Is that why Hillary Clinton went to Code Pink to sell the war? Or why a ton of Dems are on record about Saddam and WMD? Or the UN saying he had WMD? Hans Blix too? And our allies?

    And he got that bogus info because he WANTED it, and made sure everyone knew it.
    Phew... "some people you jus caint reech."

    The constitution is a living document, not cast in stone as of its origin date.
    Well, living... not quite. Right out of the Lefties handbook, have to give you that much.

    Now, if you want to amend it there is a process to do it. You don't simply ride roughshod all over it.

    Or do laws mean anything to you? You see, that's why the constitution is so critically important. It's the social contract between the government, how they will operate, their limits, our rights and is the floor for making such decisions.

    This is the beauty of discussion. You've revealed you're no moderate, but a Reid, Pelosi & CO. lackey.

    Like the bible, a dead document, it gets abused by zealots to further their own agenda.
    ROTFLOL... look in the mirror.

    And when parents can further THEIR agenda by raising children in the image of their own ignorance, this country will fall apart.
    This is brilliant, line for line the True UtahBill is revealing himself. Now we are too stupid to decide what schools to send our kids to. ROTFLOL... this is priceless...

    ubercons who worship at the feet of Beck, Limbaugh, and other like minded greedy pundits
    ROTFLOL... now you insert class warfare into it...


    they won't accept the blame for all the money they borrowed from our grandchildren to live well today. They will blame it on Obama.
    Oh! So conservatives and libertarians are the ones who instituted all the social entitlement programs and the ever increasing growth of government. Republicans played a small part with some of the idiocy, but a small part. Obama just spent how many trillion?

    CONGRATULATIONS! All in all, you sound like Pelosi & Reid.

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Is that why Hillary Clinton went to Code Pink to sell the war? Or why a ton of Dems are on record about Saddam and WMD? Or the UN saying he had WMD? Hans Blix too? And our allies?



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    Clinton is brought up a lot on these wmd threads, but remember, he did not invade the country and take ownership and nation building responsibilities.

    I realize, to you, I'm splitting hairs.
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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Is that why Hillary Clinton went to Code Pink to sell the war? Or why a ton of Dems are on record about Saddam and WMD? Or the UN saying he had WMD? Hans Blix too? And our allies?

    Phew... "some people you jus caint reech."

    Well, living... not quite. Right out of the Lefties handbook, have to give you that much.

    Now, if you want to amend it there is a process to do it. You don't simply ride roughshod all over it.

    Or do laws mean anything to you? You see, that's why the constitution is so critically important. It's the social contract between the government, how they will operate, their limits, our rights and is the floor for making such decisions.

    This is the beauty of discussion. You've revealed you're no moderate, but a Reid, Pelosi & CO. lackey.

    ROTFLOL... look in the mirror.


    This is brilliant, line for line the True UtahBill is revealing himself. Now we are too stupid to decide what schools to send our kids to. ROTFLOL... this is priceless...

    ROTFLOL... now you insert class warfare into it...



    Oh! So conservatives and libertarians are the ones who instituted all the social entitlement programs and the ever increasing growth of government. Republicans played a small part with some of the idiocy, but a small part. Obama just spent how many trillion?

    CONGRATULATIONS! All in all, you sound like Pelosi & Reid.

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    Maybe I should start voting democrat? It is the ubercons like yourself who borrow from future taxpayers so you can have a nice life today. Yes DEMS tax and spend, but for really heavy duty impact on deficts and national debt, it takes a republican to sacrifice our children on the altar of nation building. Both Bush presidencies spent money on wars for no discernible gain.
    How you gonna pay for that ? Cut taxes? yeah, that's the tickekt...
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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    zimmer it is evident from you're post here and everywhere else on this forum that you are pretty slick. The kind of slick you would normally expect out of a guy from the hills of West Virginia, but somehow you have been able to encapsulate all the negative sideways thinking that the conservatives sometimes do and epitomize it in a way that well has no real words. So instead I give you this:



    Does this make any ****ING SENSE WHAT SO ****ING EVER?!?!? No.

    DO YOU?

    No.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

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    Maybe I should start voting democrat?
    Perhaps you should, or at least admit you do. You sound like Pelosi, Reid and Obama. Schumer, Turbin and Kerry. I highly doubt you vote Republican.


    It is the ubercons like yourself who borrow from future taxpayers so you can have a nice life today.
    The class warfare card hauled out again, and look who is right there at your side... CC and Glinda. Two unapologetic Lefties... My, the company you keep.

    Let's see who pays what:
    The top 1% pay 39% of the tax burden.
    The Top 25% pay 86%.
    Source: IRS

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119786208643933077.html
    Every Democrat running for President wants to raise taxes on "the rich," but they will have to do something miraculous to outtax President Bush. Based on the latest available tax data, no Administration in modern history has done more to pry tax revenue from the wealthy.

    Last week the Congressional Budget Office joined the IRS in releasing tax numbers for 2005, and part of the news is that the richest 1% paid about 39% of all income taxes that year. The richest 5% paid a tad less than 60%, and the richest 10% paid 70%.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/08/wa...8tax.html?_r=1
    By contrast, families in the bottom 40 percent of income earners, those with incomes below $36,300, typically paid no federal income tax and received money back from the government. That so-called negative income tax stemmed mainly from the earned-income tax credit, a program that benefits low-income parents who are employed.
    Yes DEMS tax and spend, but for really heavy duty impact on deficts and national debt, it takes a republican to sacrifice our children on the altar of nation building. Both Bush presidencies spent money on wars for no discernible gain.
    Folks, what we have here is Neville Chamberlain UtahBill.

    Gulf War I stopped Saddam from cornering and disrupting the ME oil supply. And it was Libs who complained Bush 41 didn't go in and finish the job. His UN Mandate was to remove Saddam from Kuwait. Saddam failed to disarm as agreed.

    Enter Clinton.
    He let the Inspecteurs de la UN get kicked out, and left that for the next president to handle. He handed over Saddam's case to the UN. As those who may have forgotten, Clinton had a spine of linguini... constantly obsessed with polls and his "legacy" instead of doing what was right and may have been tough.

    And no other than Hans Blix stated Saddam had WMD, and weaponized WMD; Anthrax and VX. Saddam was in violation of UN 687 and 1441... repeatedly. 12-years and 911 changed things, and every despot was looking to the US.

    JANUARY 27, 2003
    Chief U.N. weapons inspector Hans Blix delivered his inspections report to the United Nations in New York on Monday morning. This is an edited transcript of his remarks.

    The nerve agent VX is one of the most toxic ever developed. Iraq has declared that it only produced VX on a pilot scale, just a few tons, and that the quality was poor and the product unstable.

    Consequently, it was said that the agent was never weaponized.

    Iraq said that the small quantity of [the] agent remaining after the Gulf War was unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991.

    UNMOVIC, however, has information that conflicts with this account.
    http://articles.cnn.com/2003-01-27/u...vic/7?_s=PM:US
    Strange that Senate Dems asked for a second vote to go to war, got it and voted in the positive... TWICE.
    Strange how the Dems had sung about Saddam's threats for years and Clinton was preparing the nation for war... sending Def Sec Cohen to TV to educate the public about the huge threats a small amount of Anthrax could cause.
    What was that about Bush 43 again?

    David Kay stated before the USASC in the Senate, that we were lucky to dodge a bullet, if we did.

    Now, your Neville Chamberlain world view could have resulted in tens, hundreds or millions of Americans or western Europeans dead. The Germans feared a biological attack that they estimated could kill 25 million.

    So what did Bush 43 achieve (we know what 41 did):

    1. Saddam isn't a threat any longer.
    2. Reconstituting his WMD programs are dead.
    3. We broke up a Nuke Black Market.
    4. Libya handed over its WMD materials.
    5. There is a democracy in the ME.
    6. We centralized the fight against the terrorists and did major damage to them.

    And as far as your trying to score political points with your disgusting drivel about the troops being sacrificed on the alter, it's just that... disgusting drivel.

    Bush said he wouldn't nation build, but 911 changed that. He changed along the same lines Einstein renounced pacifism. It's called using your brain.

    How you gonna pay for that ? Cut taxes? yeah, that's the tickekt...
    I've posted JFK's NY Economic speech in 1962 many times, but will do it again for you and other class warfare Libs seem to be economic illiterates.
    1. Government is too big.
    2. Higher taxation hurts job growth... and today like no other time, people, their money and businesses can pack up and leave. Just look at NY for what has resulted from their prognostications of higher revenue from higher taxes. And Nucor was planning to set up plants in Louisiana but waited a year because they were looking to overseas possibilities due to hostile US taxation. I'm sure many have made the calculation and decided to invest outside the US.


    Now to JFK
    We shall, therefore, neither postpone our tax cut plans nor cut into essential national security programs. This administration is determined to protect America's security and survival and we are also determined to step up its economic growth. I think we must do both.

    Our true choice is not between tax reduction, on the one hand, and the avoidance of large Federal deficits on the other. It is increasingly clear that no matter what party is in power, so long as our national security needs keep rising, an economy hampered by restrictive tax rates will never produce enough revenue to balance our budget just as it will never produce enough jobs or enough profits. Surely the lesson of the last decade is that budget deficits are not caused by wild-eyed spenders but by slow economic growth and periodic recessions, and any new recession would break all deficit records.

    In short, it is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high today and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now. The experience of a number of European countries and Japan have borne this out. This country's own experience with tax reduction in 1954 has borne this out. And the reason is that only full employment can balance the budget, and tax reduction can pave the way to that employment. The purpose of cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus.

    I repeat: our practical choice is not between a tax-cut deficit and a budgetary surplus. It is between two kinds of deficits: a chronic deficit of inertia, as the unwanted result of inadequate revenues and a restricted economy; or a temporary deficit of transition, resulting from a tax cut designed to boost the economy, increase tax revenues, and achieve--and I believe this can be done--a budget surplus. The first type of deficit is a sign of waste and weakness; the second reflects an investment in the future.

    http://www.jfklibrary.org/Asset+Tree/Asset+Viewers/Audio+Video+Asset+Viewer.htm?guid={A138FFB8-5B6A-4C6A-A8CC-70C6E4FF39DA}&type=Audio
    We need reduce rates on corporations, and go back to the Reagan era tax rates, and this time cut and gut government, for as Reagan so eloquently stated...

    GOVERNMENT IS THE PROBLEM.

    But you and CC and Glinda love it so... (Love story music plays in the background.)

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Perhaps you should, or at least admit you do. You sound like Pelosi, Reid and Obama. Schumer, Turbin and Kerry. I highly doubt you vote Republican.


    The class warfare card hauled out again, and look who is right there at your side CC and Glinda. My, the company you keep.

    Let's
    The top 1% pay 39% of the tax burden.
    The Top 25% pay 86%.



    Folks, what we have here is Neville Chamberlain UtahBill.

    Gulf War I stopped Saddam from cornering and disrupting the ME oil supply. And it was Libs who complained Bush 41 didn't go in and finish the job. His UN Mandate was to remove Saddam from Kuwait. Saddam failed to disarm as agreed, Clinton let the Inspecteurs de la UN get kicked out, and left that for the next president to handle. And no other than Hans Blix stated Saddam had WMD, and weaponized WMD; Anthrax and VX. Saddam was in violation of UN 687 and 1441... repeatedly. 12-years and 911 changed things, and every despot was looking to the US.

    David Kay stated before the USASC in the Senate, that we were lucky to dodge a bullet, if we did.

    Now, your Neville Chamberlain world view could have resulted in tens, hundreds or millions of Americans or western Europeans dead. The Germans feared a biological attack that they estimated could kill 25 million.

    So what did Bush 43 achieve (we know what 41 did):

    1. Saddam isn't a threat any longer.
    2. Reconstituting his WMD programs are dead.
    3. We broke up a Nuke Black Market.
    4. Libya handed over its WMD materials.
    5. There is a democracy in the ME.

    And as far as your trying to score political points with your disgusting drivel about the troops being sacrificed on the alter, it's just that... disgusting drivel.

    Bush said he wouldn't nation build, but 911 changed that. He changed along the same lines Einstein renounced pacifism. It's called using your brain.


    I've posted JFK's NY Economic speech in 1962, but will do it again for you and other class warfare Libs seem to be economic illiterates.
    1. Government is too big.
    2. Higher taxation hurts job growth... and today like no other time, people, their money and businesses can pack up and leave. Just look at NY for what has resulted from their prognostications of higher revenue from higher taxes. And Nucor was planning to set up plants in Louisiana but waited a year because they were looking to overseas possibilities due to hostile US taxation. I'm sure many have made the calculation and decided to invest outside the US.


    Now to JFK


    We need reduce rates on corporations, and go back to the Reagan era tax rates, and this time cut and gut government, for as Reagan so eloquently stated...

    GOVERNMENT IS THE PROBLEM.

    But you and CC and Glinda love it so... (Love story music plays in the background.)

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    Nothing to do with class warfare. I'm just agreeing with him that you are a partisan hack that knows nothing about liberalism. All you do is distort and demonize. The entire forum knows it. It's clear in each overblown, overgeneralized, distorted, and ridiculous post you make. It is tiring reading your wall of meaningless text, zim.

    Oh, and anyone who believes that Reagan's "trickle down" economic policy was successful, not only has no understanding of human psychology, but no understanding of how human psychology interacts with economics. Reagan did some excellent things for this country. Economics was not one of them.
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