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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

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    When you choose to stick a gun in your mouth, your ability to make your own choices is taken away from you. A nation that epidemically chooses sloth and gluttony over health and vigor is committing suicide as surely as a man with a gun in his mouth, and just as surely needs to be restricted for its own good. Extinction is not a legitimate option.
    Extinction isn't on the table. That said, it's always a legitimate option, even if it isn't a desirable one.
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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Exactly. President Kennedy's Physical Fitness Challenge. I was one of the first kids in that, as I was five when he died. It was a start.

    I don't think it's anybody's business but each individual. But I believe that the First Lady is not doing any harm, and she may be doing some good. You really think she's doing harm?
    Doing harm? No. Doing good? No. Do you? Every year the obesity problem gets worse. The problem wont go away with slogans and feel good programs and the same failed rhetoric. More government controls arent the answer. More social programs (some school districts are looking now at feeding the students breakfast, lunch, AND dinner. We have to stop sueing McDonalds and start holding INDIVIDUALS accountable. Its that individual responsibility thing that we are lacking.

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    I'm sorry, I thought the first lady was just doing some program that was important to her. I didn't realize policies were involved.

    I've been a lot less active at this board, and you know why? Because it's depressing watching people just slap the **** out of each other day after day, making no attempt to meet in the middle. It's a huge waste of time. I really liked this forum. Obviously; I haven't actually left. But I can't entertain stupid and stubborn near as well as I used to.
    Oh I agree...so lets meet in the middle. Im FINE if Mo wants to continue the fitness programs. Great. Im totally opposed to increasing the social programs...its CREATING the problem. PEOPLE need to be held accountable for themselves and their families. Now...where is your 'middle ground'?

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Oh I agree...so lets meet in the middle. Im FINE if Mo wants to continue the fitness programs. Great. Im totally opposed to increasing the social programs...its CREATING the problem. PEOPLE need to be held accountable for themselves and their families. Now...where is your 'middle ground'?
    Right where you left it.

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    LOL, glad someone finally admitted to death panels. See Sarah's not so dumb after all. Just kidding, your scenario isn't really a "death panel" One heart, two patients, one has to lose.
    With Obamacare there will be rationing due to cost and lack of doctors. And who will be doing the rationing? Will it be the doctor, or will it be the government?
    The free market is a form of rationing. Not everyone who wants a service can have it. Instead, only those with the ability to pay can, and the rest go without. Insurance engenders a distortion of market forces, causing a "tragedy of the commons" of sorts. Except that in this tragedy, we have the skyrocketing costs, instead of depletion of resources.

    What is your solution to the rising costs? C'mon, put yourself out there, so that we can distort your ideas like your wackjobs on the right do with every idea put forth from the left.
    You can never be safe from a government that can keep you completely safe from each other and the world. You must choose.

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Extinction isn't on the table.
    Obesity is already affecting military readiness because of a shortage of able-bodied volunteers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    That said, it's always a legitimate option, even if it isn't a desirable one.
    Extinction is one thing when you are defeated and eradicated by a superior enemy. It's an entirely different thing when it comes about as a result of choking on our own filth.

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    I'm sorry, I thought the first lady was just doing some program that was important to her. I didn't realize policies were involved.

    I've been a lot less active at this board, and you know why? Because it's depressing watching people just slap the **** out of each other day after day, making no attempt to meet in the middle. It's a huge waste of time. I really liked this forum. Obviously; I haven't actually left. But I can't entertain stupid and stubborn near as well as I used to.
    You're doing a pretty good job right now.
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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The problem wont go away with slogans and feel good programs and the same failed rhetoric. More government controls arent the answer. More social programs (some school districts are looking now at feeding the students breakfast, lunch, AND dinner.)
    Since the vast majority of our children are educated in the welfare schools, I'd say they're the perfect venue for approaching the problem. My only problem with the schools serving three meals a day is that the meals they are serving are garbage. On the other hand, with school lunch reform we have the opportunity to ensure that at least every public school child gets one or two proper meals a day, and a full diet if school districts start serving dinners. Revising our physical education curriculum and classroom schedules to provide more structured physical activities could go a long way. The public schools are already a government agency; there is no increase in government control by reforming how they nourish and exercise our children.

    And considering the fact that we require the majority of children to be held captive for at least one meal a day, I would say that the government has a moral responsibility to ensure that that one meal is wholesome.

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    We have to stop sueing McDonalds and start holding INDIVIDUALS accountable. Its that individual responsibility thing that we are lacking.
    I agree that suing McDonalds is useless. McDonalds isn't doing anything wrong; they are providing goods and services that the public wants. However, there is no way to hold individuals accountable unless there is someone to hold them accountable to. Since nobody is suggesting that we have "fat police", I think a sensible course would be to implement regulatory controls that make wholesome foods more desirable and unwholesome foods less. This isn't "telling people what to eat", it's using market forces to encourage the behaviors that people should have been choosing in the first place.

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    I am glad nobody wants to sue McD's for their fattening food.. I really like their fries, and I enjoy eating them but I am not fat. I still feel bad for eating McD's when I do, because I know it's unhealthy. I also like how they have a play station for kids, because they love going there.. but they play more than they eat, so they aren't getting fat on McD's either and I get their fries.

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Since the vast majority of our children are educated in the welfare schools, I'd say they're the perfect venue for approaching the problem. My only problem with the schools serving three meals a day is that the meals they are serving are garbage. On the other hand, with school lunch reform we have the opportunity to ensure that at least every public school child gets one or two proper meals a day, and a full diet if school districts start serving dinners. Revising our physical education curriculum and classroom schedules to provide more structured physical activities could go a long way. The public schools are already a government agency; there is no increase in government control by reforming how they nourish and exercise our children.

    And considering the fact that we require the majority of children to be held captive for at least one meal a day, I would say that the government has a moral responsibility to ensure that that one meal is wholesome.



    I agree that suing McDonalds is useless. McDonalds isn't doing anything wrong; they are providing goods and services that the public wants. However, there is no way to hold individuals accountable unless there is someone to hold them accountable to. Since nobody is suggesting that we have "fat police", I think a sensible course would be to implement regulatory controls that make wholesome foods more desirable and unwholesome foods less. This isn't "telling people what to eat", it's using market forces to encourage the behaviors that people should have been choosing in the first place.
    I think it is easy enough just to remind people...you eat at McDonalds (or fix cheap MacN cheese, or eat nothing but chips, drink soda, and eat food with no nutritional value but high in fat and calories) then you are going to get fat, develop health problems...and probably die young...and its going to be YOUR fault. So...choose...but we are NOT going to cover your health care and med bills.

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