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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    When people have demonstrated a pattern of making bad decisions, trusting them to make the right decisions for our future is irrational and dangerous. If we were making the right decisions for our children in the face of the obesity epidemic, there wouldn't be any obesity epidemic for us to worry about.

    Getting this country back on track means getting people to behave correctly. If force is the only way the government can accomplish this, so be it.
    WOW! I am so sorry that YOU are incapable of taking care of YOURSELF and YOUR FAMILY and are to stupid to make important decisions as to what YOUR KID eats.

    So basically, if you disagree with how someone is raising their kids, then this calls for government to make the correction???

    But you know what, you are right in some respects, in that based on your picture; YOU have made some bad decisions in regards to what you eat. So why would trusting YOU to make the right decisions for "our" future not be considered irrational and dangerous?????

    THE IRONY IN THIS IS RICH!!!! HAHAHAHA

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You already did. I'll post your comments and point out each of your attacking, partisan hack statments... statements that have no substance and are nothing but silly overgeneralizations:



    Now, my question is, is it possible for you to make a substantial post WITHOUT overgeneralizing without facts?
    Uhhh, exactly what more facts are you needing in his argument? Is the story of what is happening in San Francisco not "fact" enough? I can point them out to you if need be.

    Another example of how facts do not sync in the Liberal mind!

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by Bwp3000 View Post
    Uhhh, exactly what more facts are you needing in his argument? Is the story of what is happening in San Francisco not "fact" enough? I can point them out to you if need be.

    Another example of how facts do not sync in the Liberal mind!
    In know it's difficult for partisan hack conservatives to pay attention but do give it a try. Firstly, I did not dispute what is happening in SF... though one incident does not make for a global situation that some conservatives... who love to distort and overgeneralize... are doing. No, my challenge would be for him to prove the statements I placed in bold. With links. If he doesn't want to, you can certainly give it a try.
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    Attn2 Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I'd have to say I agree with Palin. Gov't is sticking its nose in too much these days.
    Yeah, obesity is a problem. Gov't isn't the answer.
    I find govt too intrusive as well. But that is a more general and vague sentiment than saying Michelle Obama is trying to take away our ability to decide what we feed our kids.

    If Palin had simply said "Govt is too involvedin our personal lives," I would agree. But that's not the comment that's at issue.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by E_Pluribus_Venom View Post
    produce the answer.

    to reduce obesity, eat less and exercise more.


    That's to reduce your own, btw.

    To reduce your child's obesity, make them eat less and exercise more.

    Your neighbor's obesity is your neighbor's problem.

    Now, someone will say "but the healthcare costs impact us all!" Well you could say that about almost anything, use it as an excuse for almost any intrusion of Gov't on private citizens. Get gov't out of the healthcare business, get laws out of the way of healthcare competition, and it wouldn't be nearly as much of an issue.

    There. Answered.

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    When people have demonstrated a pattern of making bad decisions, trusting them to make the right decisions for our future is irrational and dangerous. If we were making the right decisions for our children in the face of the obesity epidemic, there wouldn't be any obesity epidemic for us to worry about.

    Getting this country back on track means getting people to behave correctly. If force is the only way the government can accomplish this, so be it.
    It's not surprising that you were thanked by all the neighborhood liberals for promoting the the government control public behavior. It's not surprising at all. Afterall, that's what socialists usually do.
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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    to reduce obesity, eat less and exercise more.


    That's to reduce your own, btw.

    To reduce your child's obesity, make them eat less and exercise more.

    Your neighbor's obesity is your neighbor's problem.

    Now, someone will say "but the healthcare costs impact us all!" Well you could say that about almost anything, use it as an excuse for almost any intrusion of Gov't on private citizens. Get gov't out of the healthcare business, get laws out of the way of healthcare competition, and it wouldn't be nearly as much of an issue.

    There. Answered.
    This leftwing attitude definite explains why they support mandatory UHC.
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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    to reduce obesity, eat less and exercise more.


    That's to reduce your own, btw.

    To reduce your child's obesity, make them eat less and exercise more.

    Your neighbor's obesity is your neighbor's problem.

    Now, someone will say "but the healthcare costs impact us all!" Well you could say that about almost anything, use it as an excuse for almost any intrusion of Gov't on private citizens. Get gov't out of the healthcare business, get laws out of the way of healthcare competition, and it wouldn't be nearly as much of an issue.

    There. Answered.
    We aren't just simply talking about our neighbors.. We are talking about our neighbor's children and them, as a parent, failing to teach their children to value their health. It really goes beyond obesity IMO, but a issue of cultural laziness. People keep asking what happened to America.. it's simple. Look in the mirror and listen to your attitude.

    I have a serious problem when valuing small gov and the freedom of others turns into respecting and tolerating bad habits. I don't have a duty as a small government libertarian to respect people not raising their children properly and teaching them laziness.

    For example, I respect freedom of speech but I am not going to argue that you should personally respect the CHOICES of the Westboro Baptist Church. By the same coin, I am going to be tolerant of stupid people failing to teach their children to be mindful of their health, shoving Happy Meals down their throats, and neglecting to teach them anything about healthy eating and lifestyle habits. It shouldn't be a crime, but I don't have to be tolerant of it either... That is what respecting the liberty of other people really means.

    I'll keep repeating myself.. it keeps going ignored, but I'll keep repeating it

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    A lot of preprocessed and fast food is widely known as being unhealthy and fattening.. even baby formula is well known to be less beneficial to a baby, but it's a million dollar industry. We live in society of consumption and convenience, so when a female doesn't learn how to breast feed quickly, she just goes to formula.... even if she is poor, she'll move to formula and get it via WIC. That sort of laziness has become acceptable today.

    It's easier to be unhealthy and convenient than it is to LEARN how to be independent.. how to make your own food, grow your own vegetables, be an economic independent entity and feeding yourself while you are rich or poor

    I am not saying this is deserving of government punishment, but I believe self sufficiency and independence are a major part of our founding principle values. If people learned how to grow their own food and feed themselves independently again, I think the poor would be less likely to starve without assistance and WIC would be less of an occurrence.

    It really seems like common sense to me..
    They say give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

    Have we forgotten the second part of that saying all together?

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    We aren't just simply talking about our neighbors.. We are talking about our neighbor's children and them, as a parent, failing to teach their children to value their health. It really goes beyond obesity IMO, but a issue of cultural laziness. People keep asking what happened to America.. it's simple. Look in the mirror and listen to your attitude.

    I have a serious problem when valuing small gov and the freedom of others turns into respecting and tolerating bad habits. I don't have a duty as a small government libertarian to respect people not raising their children properly and teaching them laziness.

    For example, I respect freedom of speech but I am not going to argue that you should personally respect the CHOICES of the Westboro Baptist Church. By the same coin, I am going to be tolerant of stupid people failing to teach their children to be mindful of their health, shoving Happy Meals down their throats, and neglecting to teach them anything about healthy eating and lifestyle habits. It shouldn't be a crime, but I don't have to be tolerant of it either... That is what respecting the liberty of other people really means.

    I'll keep repeating myself.. it keeps going ignored, but I'll keep repeating it



    They say give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

    Have we forgotten the second part of that saying all together?
    simplistic platitude....
    and wrong.
    teach a man to fish and all he wants to do there after is fish. He buys an expensive boat, and a new truck to tow it, and tackle, etc. and puts it all on his credit card, or home equity loan (125% of equity), then loses his job because he takes too many "mental health" days to go fishing. He goes bankrupt next, gets to keep his house and truck, and taxpayers support him by allowing this poor soul to draw welfare....
    It's probably in the constitution of the great state of Texas, since it is my siblings I am talking about, and they live in Texas.
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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    You guys do understand that people gorging themselves and their children does affect you, if they are on welfare or receive food stamps or Medicare/cade? I have been pretty much demanding that people not only learn to eat better, but learn to feed themselves the way my grandparents did it before processed and pre packaged food.. WITHOUT government force or coerce... Why is this falling on def ears when said to smaller government proponents?

    It really bothers me that people receiving those benefits can even have multiple children, and one of them... medicare or cade.. won't pay for them to be surgically sterilized if they want to be. Thats the case here anyway.. I know a 19 year mom on welfare with 5 five kids.. no joke, and she won't get her tubes tied because welfare won't pay for it. That should be changed.
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