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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Take her anti-obesity thing that she is on. She is on this kick, right. What she is telling us is she cannot trust parents to make decisions for their own children, for their own families in what we should eat.
    At least Palin's aware of the situation: parents are continually proving their selves incapable of properly parenting their children.
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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    At least Palin's aware of the situation: parents are continually proving their selves incapable of properly parenting their children.
    That doesn't give the government the right to usurp their authority, unless there is actual child abuse occurring.
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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That doesn't give the government the right to usurp their authority, unless there is actual child abuse occurring.
    Then what do you propose we do about the fact that it's predicted that the majority of Americans will have diabetes by 2020? What do we do about the fact that the majority of us are not in fit enough shape to fight? "Nothing" is not a good enough answer.

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Then what do you propose we do about the fact that it's predicted that the majority of Americans will have diabetes by 2020? What do we do about the fact that the majority of us are not in fit enough shape to fight? "Nothing" is not a good enough answer.
    So what? So what if people are getting diabetes at a higher rate than ever before? How does that warrant action by the government? Stop assuming you are on higher ground here. You are the one wanting an action to be taken, you are on the defensive, NOT the offensive. A problem does NOT warrant an action by its very existence, sorry.
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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    A problem does NOT warrant an action by its very existence, sorry.
    Yes, it does. That is the very definition of what a "problem" is.

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    What I'm talking about is when problems don't need action to be fixed. For example, if I break my toe, it will heal in time. The problem is solved, no matter how well it is done, and I didn't need to take action on it. Could I have fixed it better if I took action on it? Sure, but that isn't my point. Obesity is exactly that kind of thing. Society is what caused the problem, and society is what will fix it. It might take time, it might not work the way you wish, but it will fix itself. There is no action that needs to be taken. The problem with people like yourself is you think you can craft society, or that you have the right to do so. Neither is so.

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What I'm talking about is when problems don't need action to be fixed. For example, if I break my toe, it will heal in time. The problem is solved, no matter how well it is done, and I didn't need to take action on it. Could I have fixed it better if I took action on it? Sure, but that isn't my point. Obesity is exactly that kind of thing. Society is what caused the problem, and society is what will fix it. It might take time, it might not work the way you wish, but it will fix itself. There is no action that needs to be taken. The problem with people like yourself is you think you can craft society, or that you have the right to do so. Neither is so.
    Actually, society is unlikely to fix the problem. Evolution is what screwed us up, and that's the only thing likely to fix it, other than effort on the part of the government or ourselves.

    As a species, we're simply not designed to have so much food so readily available to us all the time. We're also designed to do a lot more manual labor than the vast majority of us do today.
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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Actually, society is unlikely to fix the problem. Evolution is what screwed us up, and that's the only thing likely to fix it, other than effort on the part of the government or ourselves.

    As a species, we're simply not designed to have so much food so readily available to us all the time. We're also designed to do a lot more manual labor than the vast majority of us do today.
    We have had food readily available far before this ever became a problem. I highly doubt that is a cause. As for getting more exercise, ofcourse, but that is just a habit that has plenty of chances to change on its own.

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What I'm talking about is when problems don't need action to be fixed. For example, if I break my toe, it will heal in time. The problem is solved, no matter how well it is done, and I didn't need to take action on it. Could I have fixed it better if I took action on it? Sure, but that isn't my point. Obesity is exactly that kind of thing. Society is what caused the problem, and society is what will fix it. It might take time, it might not work the way you wish, but it will fix itself. There is no action that needs to be taken.
    If you could have fixed it better, you should have. Now your toe isn't as good as it should be, because you had a problem and you ignored it. I think our society, our people, deserve better than that. I think we should be the best in the world, the best we can be-- and that means that when our society has a problem, we should respond to it,

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The problem with people like yourself is you think you can craft society, or that you have the right to do so. Neither is so.
    The problem with people like you is that you don't take responsibility for the society you live in. You refuse to admit that society could be better, in order to avoid having to take responsibility for making it better. Your arguments lead to stagnation and decay, to the exact same kind of moral rot that has penetrated into every layer of our society-- the belief that we are entitled to privileges without duties, that we can sustain our way of life indefinitely without having to make sacrifices for it. You say that we are helpless, that we can not work to overcome the moral diseases of laziness and apathy, that we can not control our own destiny as a nation and that we should not even try.

    I think we're better than that.

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    If you could have fixed it better, you should have. Now your toe isn't as good as it should be, because you had a problem and you ignored it. I think our society, our people, deserve better than that. I think we should be the best in the world, the best we can be-- and that means that when our society has a problem, we should respond to it,
    This is the same kind of mindset that has inflicted this society. We don't connect avenues of fixing a problem with what it details. Do you honestly think society would be better of if every problem is fixed by the government? Really? Think about that for a moment. Will you accept any solution put out? Do you think you have a choice? Who will be deciding this? You? Me? You can play dumb and believe the government is the answer, but please show me an example of when this was true. Remember liberty must of been keep.


    The problem with people like you is that you don't take responsibility for the society you live in.
    There is no responsibility for society. We have no responsibility for what others decide to do, only what we do and choose to do. This is exactly your problem, you think we are all connected and must care for each other and that is why society exists. Society exists for the individual and what they can get out of the society, not what the society can get out of each other.

    You refuse to admit that society could be better, in order to avoid having to take responsibility for making it better. Your arguments lead to stagnation and decay, to the exact same kind of moral rot that has penetrated into every layer of our society-- the belief that we are entitled to privileges without duties, that we can sustain our way of life indefinitely without having to make sacrifices for it.
    A lack of government intervention does NOT lead to decay or stagnation. There is no proof in history that says such. Please stop with the drivel.

    And what kind of sacrifices are you talking about? Your ideas in here are talking about sacrificing my liberty and yours to solve a problem that you argue needs action, but can't actually prove.

    You say that we are helpless, that we can not work to overcome the moral diseases of laziness and apathy, that we can not control our own destiny as a nation and that we should not even try.
    Overcoming a problem can be done in many ways. You have decided that people are incapable of doing what is right, that they are retarded, and must be lead like sheep by a ruling body that knows what must be done to better society. I have decided people are wise and dumb but these two things must be dealt with by society as a whole to persevere its liberty.

    I think we're better than that.
    And I think we should be smarter than to allow a group to control what we eat to solve a problem that they decided needed to be fixed and they decided they have the right to do so.

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