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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    You know - when things go to **** people demand the government *do something!* to fix it.

    And when things go to **** and stay that way for 10, 15 and 20 years - and the government does *nothing* about it then many people go 'why the **** aren't you doing anything about this problem!'

    So then when the government finally decides to get concerned and involved - other people bawlk and cry 'we don't want you telling us what to do!'



    So it's really just like all other issues - you can't please everyone. But in this area it's concerning peoples' health - and people's decisions will affects the government's pre-determined interests and expectations.
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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    You know - when things go to **** people demand the government *do something!* to fix it.

    And when things go to **** and stay that way for 10, 15 and 20 years - and the government does *nothing* about it then many people go 'why the **** aren't you doing anything about this problem!'

    So then when the government finally decides to get concerned and involved - other people bawlk and cry 'we don't want you telling us what to do!'



    So it's really just like all other issues - you can't please everyone. But in this area it's concerning peoples' health - and people's decisions will affects the government's pre-determined interests and expectations.
    I guess Im just not see the throngs of people clamoring for the government to 'fix' things...especially since they do such a lousy job of it. I think most of the people (at least the people I know) believe that most often things will be made better by the government getting out of the way. Or at the very least, being effective. In this realm, slogans arent going to 'fix' anything. Arnold Swartzenegger was prominently promoted in school fitness programs druing the Bush admin...for all the good it did.

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Anyone that reads, The Jungle should also remember that it's fiction and Upton Sinclair admits that he made most of it up.
    LINK !!!!
    How is it that the president sent in his own inspectors, and found conditions in some places to be worse....

    It occurs to me that you think that because the book is fiction, therefore the conditions he writes about are untrue.
    Some books are written using fictionalized names, places, etc. to protect the author against lawsuits.
    But if you think he won the Nobel Prize by telling lies, you need to check it out a bit more.
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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Did JFK pass legislation that forced citizens to meet those standards? Or did he simply promote physical fitness?
    who passed legislation you claim?
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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I guess I'll just have to agree to disagree with those on this thread.
    I see the whole thing as a big government wanting to grow even bigger. I see the boogie man around the corner disquised in words like recommended. I feel the "nudge" that no one else seems to feel. Either that or they don't care how big the government grows or how much power it will have over our individual lives. In fact they seem to look forward to it.
    What did that say that makes you feel that way.. Point out to me the scariest points in that post, because I am not seeing it. Can you at least do that?

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Yeah, fear can make you believe in things that aren't really happening.
    irrational fear, of course...
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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This is the comment that stood out to me and is the failure of the positions of folks like you. Of course we are all connected. Like or not, what I do has an impact on others and what others do has an impact on me. Whether we have responsibility for society or not is debatable, but we do not live in a vacuum. Society and the individual exist together.
    Ok, maybe I shouldn't have said we aren't connected, but my point still stands, we have no responsliblity for others well being if we aren't personally involved with them or their situation. I shouldn't have to deal with bans on products that I enjoy because people go out and kill themselves with it like that alcholic energy drink banned recently. On the other hand, if a person goes out and kills someone that strips the know dead person of their life that person should be punished. One is tyranny like you believe, the other is protecting individual rights and liberty of the citizens. Understand?

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    irrational fear, of course...
    Yeah, that's what I meant.
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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I guess Im just not see the throngs of people clamoring for the government to 'fix' things...especially since they do such a lousy job of it. I think most of the people (at least the people I know) believe that most often things will be made better by the government getting out of the way. Or at the very least, being effective. In this realm, slogans arent going to 'fix' anything. Arnold Swartzenegger was prominently promoted in school fitness programs druing the Bush admin...for all the good it did.
    Most people seem to hold the president and the former responsible for fixing the economy.. responsible for fixing the unemployment rate, etc. etc.. I know it's just politics to say one thing when your party is running is the show, but it does appear that people demand the government fix things at one point or another. I thought she was making a good point in that respect.

    But I honestly don't believe the government can fix a lot of things, society and individuals are capable of fixing a lot of them. Individuals should be held accountable... Like I said before, being tolerate of parents feeding their kids a bunch of fattening crap is different from saying it's not a crime in America, and shouldn't be a crime to feed your kids a bunch of crap. Partisan sheeple are as much of the problem that government is.. in the sense that they allow themselves to be irrationally led around by the politicians and fear fictional boogeymen.

    People are going sit on their a****s and watch pundits on the nightly news as opposed to try and affect real change in society.. that is the real problem IMO and government is playing a role in it
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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Ok, maybe I shouldn't have said we aren't connected, but my point still stands, we have no responsliblity for others well being if we aren't personally involved with them or their situation. I shouldn't have to deal with bans on products that I enjoy because people go out and kill themselves with it like that alcholic energy drink banned recently. On the other hand, if a person goes out and kills someone that strips the know dead person of their life that person should be punished. One is tyranny like you believe, the other is protecting individual rights and liberty of the citizens. Understand?
    In the first situation. For that to work, our entire legal system needs to be revamped. If you use a product in a way that harms you, under no circumstances can you sue the manufacturer for your own stupidity... even if the manufacturer has no warnings about not using their product stupidly. See, without that, the stupid person who kills themselves with that drink, affects all of us. So, in todays world, I disagree with you. Because the effects of not banning that product go far and above just you or I... it affects society as a whole. If, however, my suggestion is in place, I would agree with you completely.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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