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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by MissLToe View Post
    Weird how the "stay out of my body" people are all for the government telling them what to put IN their body.
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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Granny #1 is 200 pounds over weight, smokes unfiltered Lucky Strikes at the rate of a pack a day, buys 2 cases of beer every week, and goes to the smorgasbord once a week for "all you can eat fried food fiesta".
    Granny #2 is normal weight for her age, never smoked, doesn't drink, and eats a reasonable diet.

    They both need a heart transplant or they die within the next 6 weeks. They are both a match for the heart that just came into the system.

    Who gets it? I think the doctors will decide, and will pick Granny $2. See, we alrealdy have death panels.....real ones, not this fiction that Princess Palin talks about, but a real panel of real doctors...
    LOL, glad someone finally admitted to death panels. See Sarah's not so dumb after all. Just kidding, your scenario isn't really a "death panel" One heart, two patients, one has to lose.
    With Obamacare there will be rationing due to cost and lack of doctors. And who will be doing the rationing? Will it be the doctor, or will it be the government?
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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by MissLToe View Post
    Here are my thoughts on the topic:

    People are fat because they CHOOSE to be. Everyone knows that broccoli is good for you and Cheetos aren't. We don't need to be educated on healthy choices. It's common sense.

    It's not the federal government's job to say "Hey, you really should eat healthy and exercise for the betterment of yourself." NAAAAHHH, REALLY? Gee, I wouldn't have known that if some beaurocrat hadn't told me. Spending millions and billions of dollars on programs to ENCOURAGE eating healthy is a waste of money, IMHO. People are already aware of what is healthy and what isn't. It's a matter of CHOICE.

    Now then, I do agree that schools should serve healthy food. There doesn't need to be soda machines or vending machines of any kind at school. The school lunch should be healthy and not loaded with carbs like most school lunches I've seen are. However, I'll give you a dollar if you can get more then 10% of third graders to eat their peas on their tray.

    I'm also a HUGE advocate for health education in schools: weighing in, physical tests, P.E. structured more toward fitness than playing games, etc.
    We are talking about children in this case.. Children aren't choosing to be fat and unhealthy.. They are fat because their parents are too lazy to cook them something healthy instead of running them through the drive through. We aren't talking about adults. We are talking about children, and teaching children to value healthy eating and exercise.

    Other than that, I really don't have an issue with your post.. but I do find it rather short sighted. I don't really see issue about teaching people what is healthy and not healthy, but IMO there needs to be some serious social reorganizing or reteaching.. As I said in a previous post that went ignored:

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    A lot of preprocessed food is widely known as being unhealthy and fattening.. even baby formula is well known to be less beneficial to a baby, but it's a million dollar industry. We live in society of consumption and convenience, so when a female doesn't learn how to breast feed quickly, she just goes to formula.... even if she is poor, she'll move to formula and get it via WIC. That sort of laziness has become acceptable today.

    It's easier to be unhealthy and convenient than it is to LEARN how to be independent.. how to make your own food, grow your own vegetables, be an economic independent entity and feeding yourself while you are rich or poor

    I am not saying this is deserving of government punishment, but I believe self sufficiency and independence are a major part of our founding principle values. If people learned how to grow their own food and feed themselves independently again, I think the poor would be less likely to starve without assistance and WIC would be less of an occurrence.

    It really seems like common sense to me..
    I also said that some parents are horrible at teaching their own children to eat healthy... I have so many examples in real life it's not funny.. It's just a matter of paying attention to your surroundings.

    And don't get me wrong.. I also value freedom, but I have a serious problem when valuing freedom becomes respecting and tolerating bad habits. For example, I respect freedom of speech but I am not going to argue that you should personally respect the CHOICES of the Westboro Baptist Church. By the same coin, I am going to be tolerant of stupid people failing to teach their children to be mindful of their health, shoving Happy Meals down their throats, and neglecting to teach them anything about healthy eating and lifestyle habits. It shouldn't be a crime, but I don't have to be tolerant of it either... That is what respecting the liberty of other people really means.
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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I thought it was weird too.. but the contradiction on your side is also noted..
    There is no contradiction on my side. In the case of abortion, there is another human body to take into account. That human should have the very same rights as I do to my own body.


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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    It isn't any more absurd than trying to spread democracy in the middle east with military force..
    Agreed!


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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I was responding to this
    In addition, the plan features Fat Panels who will decide if Granny is thin enough to live.

    I don't want the GOVERNMENT to be concerned with what my BMI index is from year to year.
    It's not their job. It's between me and my doctor.
    Here's some of the stuff that the CDC already collects about us. The CDC is a very powerful tool for protecting our country.
    FASTSTATS - Homepage

    Everything up to and including PAP smear data.

    I assume that you're incredibly more alarmed about something as personal as that than you would be about information that is already collected by the "GOVERNMENT" put on your drivers license, yes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Who knows if a few yrs down the road when HC is rationed, granny will be refused treatment because of her BMI?
    Who knows if few years down the road if monkeys will fly out of my butt?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by MissLToe View Post
    There is no contradiction on my side. In the case of abortion, there is another human body to take into account. That human should have the very same rights as I do to my own body.
    It's still a health decision that you should trust individuals and doctors to make without government intervention... women are not children and don't need to be protected from their decisions

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I personally think Mrs. Obama is a bit over zealous in try to get people to eat healthier. Palin agrees.
    Now it's only "a bit overzealous"? What happened to "take over and make decisions for us"? And the govt deciding what we eat?

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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    It's still a health decision that you should trust individuals and doctors to make without government intervention... women are not children and don't need to be protected from their decisions
    And the beat goes on...


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    Re: Palin's reckless views on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I personally think Mrs. Obama is a bit over zealous in try to get people to eat healthier. Palin agrees.here's the down low of how the govt is going to force this down our thraots and make decisions for us:

    from http://www.letsmove.gov/pdf/TaskForc...FullReport.pdf


    Summary of Recommendations cont

    Recommendation 5.1: Developers of local school wellness policies should be encouraged to include strong physical activity components, on par with nutrition components.

    Recommendation 5.2: The President’s Challenge should be updated to ensure consistency with the Physical Activity Guidelines for Americans and to ensure ease of use and implementation by schools. Private sector partners with an interest in physical activity should help enroll children in the Presidential Active Lifestyle Award program

    Recommendation 5.3: State and local educational agencies should be encouraged to increase the quality and frequency of sequential, age- and developmentally- appropriate physical education for all students, taught by certified PE teachers

    Recommendation 5.4: State and local educational agencies should be encouraged to promote recess for elementary students and physical activity breaks for older students, and provide support to schools to implement recess in a healthy way that promotes physical activity and social skill development.

    Recommendation 5.5: State and local educational agencies should be encouraged to provide opportunities in and outside of school for students at increased risk for physical inactivity, including children with disabilities, children with asthma and other chronic diseases, and girls

    Recommendation 5.6: Federal, state, and local educational agencies, in partnership with communities and businesses, should work to support programs to extend the school day, including afterschool programs, which offer and enhance physical activity opportunities in their programs

    Recommendation 5.7: State and local educational agencies should be encouraged to support interscholastic sports and help decrease prohibitive costs of sports by curbing practices such as “pay-to-play,” working with other public and private sector partners.

    Recommendation 5.8: Reauthorize a Surface Transportation Act that enhances livability and physical activity.

    Recommendation 5.9: The Environmental Protection Agency should assist school districts that may be interested in siting guidelines for new schools that consider the promotion of physical activity, including whether students will be able to walk or bike to school

    Recommendation 5.10: Communities should be encouraged to consider the impacts of built environment policies and regulations on human health.

    Recommendation 5.11: The Federal Safe Routes to School Program (SRTS) should be continued and enhanced to accommodate the growing interest in implementing Safe Routes to Schools plans in communities.

    Recommendation 5.12: “Active transport” should be encouraged between homes, schools, and community destinations for afterschool activities, including to and from parks, libraries, transit, bus stops, and recreation centers.

    Recommendation 5.13: Increase the number of safe and accessible parks and playgrounds, particularly in underserved and low-income communities

    Recommendation 5.14: The Federal government should continue to support investments in a wide range of outdoor recreation venues, such as National Parks, Forests, Refuges and other public lands, and expand opportunities for children to enjoy these venues.

    Recommendation 5.15: Local governments should be encouraged to enter into joint use agreements to increase children’s access to community sites for indoor and outdoor recreation

    Recommendation 5.16: The business sector should be encouraged to consider which resources and physical assets like fields and gyms can be used to increase students’ access to outdoor and indoor recreational venues

    Recommendation 5.17: Entertainment and technology companies should continue to develop new approaches for using technology to engage children in physical activity
    I read all of that, and it says RECOMMENDATIONS.. and then it says.. so and so should be encouraged.

    I didn't read anything that would lead me to believe the government is stepping out of line, is going to take away my fries, or punish me for not being healthy... I saw some things in there that I don't think will work, but that is it.. Now what is the top three points or so that you have the most problems with?

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