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Lowest ever: Obama job approval sinks to 39%, as even Democrats' support melts away

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So let me get this straight. A politician never changes his mind on an issue and therefore never signs this bill which you support, therefore he gains no respect with you.
Ahhh ... not so Wiseone.
Just the fact he was adamant about not signing this bill. He signed it to get re-elected, and then attempts to take credit like it was his idea years later. Typical Clinton. No class, lying SOB.

The larger point, and relevant to the OP... is Obama is an ideologue and won't triangulate... which is fine with me. I wish Bush didn't try to get along... look where it got him; kicked in the teeth.

Perhaps he changed his mind, or perhaps he did it for political reasons. Point is, in your view he did a good thing but his reasons were wrong. Give him credit for what he did, even if you think he did it for the wrong reasons in your view.
Fine, but don't act like it was your idea, hoping to pull one over on the public. A little class would be nice, but that's too much to expect from ex-Democrat presidents. They're mouth pieces inserting themselves into the political process, lying about their records, throwing sand in the gears while they had their go and farked it up. No class SOB's, and reflective of the party in general.

What was that about thought process?

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Re: Lowest ever: Obama job approval sinks to 39%, as even Democrats' support melts aw

Only one Dem got re-elected. Just saying.

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And only one Dem DIDN'T get re-elected. Just saying.
 
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Two words: Chris Christie!

Like I said... anything to get that idiot out of NJ is ok with me.
 
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Oh my the nahsayers that detest Obama are out in full force pushing polls and that are only snap shots in time. Never mind the last eight presidents have had lower ratings at some point in their terms, and some have come back to win a decisive victory in their second terms. Smacks of desperation to me. :mrgreen:

I'm still waiting for someone other than has beens or morons to put their hat in the ring for 2012 on the republican side. It sure isn't Gingerich, Palin, or the guy from my state that won't make it past the gate once the media starts digging in his claims to fame. My man Mitch ain't what he's made out to be. He's caused a lot of misery in my state of Indiana and has sold out to big business and ditched our education system.

Only one Dem won re-election. Clinton... and he had Dick Morris run a couple brilliant strategies after 1994:

1. The stealth southern strategy of running ads under the radar after the midterms and into the 96 election... that's why they needed all those coffees and money from the Riady clan.

2. Triangulation. Poll and pick what he could to get along with the right.

Obama isn't Clinton. Clinton was a surviver; Obama's an ideologue who thinks he's got a gift. He even said it to the Dem leadership when discussing ObamaKare... stating the difference is you have me... ROTFLOL... they sure do. He necklaced the Democrat party.

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Only one Dem won re-election. Clinton... and he had Dick Morris run a couple brilliant strategies after 1994:

Only one Dem lost re-election. Carter who had the economy, the failure in Iraq, and an opponent who knew how to present himself, fabulously... even if his message had little substance, to contend with.

Obama isn't Clinton. Clinton was a surviver; Obama's an ideologue who thinks he's got a gift. He even said it to the Dem leadership when discussing ObamaKare... stating the difference is you have me... ROTFLOL... they sure do. He necklaced the Democrat party.

I agree that Obama isn't Clinton. But Palin is FAR more removed from Reagan than Obama is from Clinton.
 
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Only one Dem won re-election. Clinton... and he had Dick Morris run a couple brilliant strategies after 1994:

What difference does the party affiliation make? There have been several incumbent CIC candidates that came from behind in polls with decisive victories. And conversely I can think of one that was riding really high in the polls a year or two before the election, and come election time his numbers has slipped considerably and he lost. Bush senior.

BTW I find this rather interesting:

Obama Big Betting Favorite for 2012



Don't write off Barack Obama just yet. He may be politically wounded, but he's far from politically dead.

In fact, despite his skidding approval numbers, the furor over his inability to resolve the jobs mess and the whipping he took in the mid-term elections, leading a number of political pundits to predict he'll be a one-term president, lo and behold, Obama has emerged as the odds-on favorite to recapture the White House in 2012.

That's the assessment of the United Kingdom's William Hill, one of the world's largest and most influential bookmakers. After a week of brisk betting on the U.S.'s 2012 presidential outcome following the recent elections, the bookmaker has established Obama as the man to beat and rates him as even money to reign again for another four years.

What makes this outlook especially noteworthy is that Obama is now the top dog and by no means an underdog, some media reports notwithstanding.

What's more, William Hill boasts a pretty imposing record in picking winners in the U.S. presidential sweepstakes. "We normally get it right," says Rupert Adams, director of the bookmaker's media operations, who tells me the firm's favorites win about 80% to 90% of the time.

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Dan Dorfman: Obama Big Betting Favorite for 2012
 
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Only one Dem lost re-election. Carter who had the economy, the failure in Iraq, and an opponent who knew how to present himself, fabulously... even if his message had little substance, to contend with.



I agree that Obama isn't Clinton. But Palin is FAR more removed from Reagan than Obama is from Clinton.
No... they're (Palin/Reagan) cut from similar cloth, they're both fighters, they're both Conservatives, and Palin gives a better stump speech than Obama... who's used up his Yes We Can, his The One We Have Been Waiting Fo, Hope, Change, Unity... all hollow, meaningless, laughable BS now.

I wonder... will he claim he can part the seas? How will he defend not closing Gitmo? How will he BS his way about his bombing in Louisiana, or his trillions bringing nothing? Or ObamaKare shoved through after the Brown vote with parliamentary tactics, bribes and lies.

His immigration policy? Taking AZ to court... this guy is weak on tons of fronts. I won't be surprised if someone runs against him in the primaries.

Obama's a big, fat, easy political target... and complaining about Bush isn't going to work... people are fed up with his whining. And so-called eloquence... doesn't exist. He's exactly as Isikoff stated... creepy. A creepy anti-American.

He's a known quantity now, and on the scales of political weight... he barely moves the needle.

Clinton's a lefty, but pragmatic. Obama's an Alinsky/Wright/Ayers styled ideologue. Worlds apart.

BTW... Have a great Thanksgiving Y'all.

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No... they're (Palin/Reagan) cut from similar cloth, they're both fighters, they're both Conservatives, and ...

Wow what an insult to Reagan! Better stump speech!? What are smoking? She sounds like fingernails scraping a chalk board!
 
Re: Lowest ever: Obama job approval sinks to 39%, as even Democrats' support melts aw

What difference does the party affiliation make? There have been several incumbent CIC candidates that came from behind in polls with decisive victories. And conversely I can think of one that was riding really high in the polls a year or two before the election, and come election time his numbers has slipped considerably and he lost. Bush senior.

BTW I find this rather interesting:

Obama Big Betting Favorite for 2012



Don't write off Barack Obama just yet. He may be politically wounded, but he's far from politically dead.

In fact, despite his skidding approval numbers, the furor over his inability to resolve the jobs mess and the whipping he took in the mid-term elections, leading a number of political pundits to predict he'll be a one-term president, lo and behold, Obama has emerged as the odds-on favorite to recapture the White House in 2012.

That's the assessment of the United Kingdom's William Hill, one of the world's largest and most influential bookmakers. After a week of brisk betting on the U.S.'s 2012 presidential outcome following the recent elections, the bookmaker has established Obama as the man to beat and rates him as even money to reign again for another four years.

What makes this outlook especially noteworthy is that Obama is now the top dog and by no means an underdog, some media reports notwithstanding.

What's more, William Hill boasts a pretty imposing record in picking winners in the U.S. presidential sweepstakes. "We normally get it right," says Rupert Adams, director of the bookmaker's media operations, who tells me the firm's favorites win about 80% to 90% of the time.

Snip...

Dan Dorfman: Obama Big Betting Favorite for 2012

LOL... then go out and bet the house on him. As Buffett says, when you make a bet in the market, and you've done your homework and are operating within your circle of competence, then make a substantial bet.

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Wow what an insult to Reagan! Better stump speech!? What are smoking? She sounds like fingernails scraping a chalk board!



One thing I love, watch this and it's ****ing hilarious when she says "Why can't we ever just be satisfied with TRANQUILITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!"

Blew my mind lol. Proves your point.
 
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Wow what an insult to Reagan! Better stump speech!? What are smoking? She sounds like fingernails scraping a chalk board!

Better stump speeches than Obama.

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Re: Lowest ever: Obama job approval sinks to 39%, as even Democrats' support melts aw

No... they're (Palin/Reagan) cut from similar cloth, they're both fighters, they're both Conservatives, and Palin gives a better stump speech than Obama... who's used up his Yes We Can, his The One We Have Been Waiting Fo, Hope, Change, Unity... all hollow, meaningless, laughable BS now.

Now you're digressing into absurdity. Claiming that Palin and Reagan are similar completely degrades any positive effect Reagan had. Palin is to Reagan as Buchanan was to Lincoln.

I wonder... will he claim he can part the seas? How will he defend not closing Gitmo? How will he BS his way about his bombing in Louisiana, or his trillions bringing nothing? Or ObamaKare shoved through after the Brown vote with parliamentary tactics, bribes and lies.

His immigration policy? Taking AZ to court... this guy is weak on tons of fronts. I won't be surprised if someone runs against him in the primaries.

Obama's a big, fat, easy political target... and complaining about Bush isn't going to work... people are fed up with his whining. And so-called eloquence... doesn't exist. He's exactly as Isikoff stated... creepy. A creepy anti-American.

He's a known quantity now, and on the scales of political weight... he barely moves the needle.

Clinton's a lefty, but pragmatic. Obama's an Alinsky/Wright/Ayers styled ideologue. Worlds apart.

Reagan knew how to communicate well and present himself as a competant statesman. Palin does not have a clue as to these qualities. I was not nor am a Reagan fan, but putting Palin in Reagan's class is like putting a little leaguer in the major leagues.

BTW... Have a great Thanksgiving Y'all.

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You too, zim.
 
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The question is, will he run again?

People point to Clinton post midterms, but Clinton did two things:

1. He signed a lot of Republican legislation, including welfare reform... which he swore he wouldn't. (Clinton being who he is, tried on its 10th anniversary, to take credit for its huge success.)

2. He started a stealth campaign on TV in southern states that was under the radar; a brilliant tactic from his mastermind Dick Morris.

Obama won't likely do enough of the first, and the second trick was a one-time only performance, just like Obama's bait-and-switch. Neither are gonna work this time around.

PS. It's the economy Stupid.


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At this rate, he'll be down to 5% by 2012. :lol:
 
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One thing I love, watch this and it's ****ing hilarious when she says "Why can't we ever just be satisfied with TRANQUILITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!"

Blew my mind lol. Proves your point.


Sarah Palin could definitely kick your ass with one of her pretty hands tied behind her back.
 
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you should debate my brother... He would eat you alive man. Anyways. I've seen what republicans have done to this country and until obama gets into a war, I shall support him. :peace

Please don't tell us that you support the military because I don't buy it. Second what exactly did the Republicans do to this country as the Democrats have been in control since January 2007?

I would love to debate your brother or any other liberal because facts always trump liberal feel good rhetoric. The liberal economic policies have been failures all over the world but liberal arrogance always surfaces where a liberal today tells a liberal of yesterday that implemented those failed policies that they did them wrong and this group of liberals can do it better.

Give these non partisan links to your brother or anyone else who claims the Republicans hurt the country.

BLS link, create own chart from official data that shows employment, unemployment, and discouraged workers

Employment, Hours, and Earnings from the Current Employment Statistics survey (National)

BEA links GDP and Receipts/Expense. This site gives you economic growth and actual dollars budgeted and spent by the Federal Govt.

U.S. Department of Commerce. Bureau of Economic Analysis

U.S. Treasury showing revenue and expense line items. You can get the budget for each year from the actual checkbook of the United States.

Current Report: Combined Statement of Receipts, Outlays, and Balances of the United States Government (Combined Statement): Publications & Guidance: Financial Management Service

These are non partisan official sites that give actual data compared to the CBO which makes predictions based upon Congressional assumptions. Wonder which one is more accurate, actual data or projections?
 
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Better stump speeches than Obama.

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Yeah he was so terrible at it he kicked McCain's ass from coast to coast in the last election. Apparently Palin didn't help much with her "stump speeches."

How someone can honestly think Palin with her notes on her hand is a better speaker is so absolutely bizzare I can't fanthom it. You have to really have some major partisan rose colored glasses as thick as the lenses on the Hubble telescope. Then they criticize Obama for using a teleprompter when apparently she hasn't even figured it out yet.
 
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LOL... then go out and bet the house on him. As Buffett says, when you make a bet in the market, and you've done your homework and are operating within your circle of competence, then make a substantial bet.

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I don't bet on anything. I stay away from any form of gambling. Just showing you the leading people in the industry that have a excellent track record for picking presidents see him as shoe in the next election.
 
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Yeah he was so terrible at it he kicked McCain's ass from coast to coast in the last election. Apparently Palin didn't help much with her "stump speeches."

How someone can honestly think Palin with her notes on her hand is a better speaker is so absolutely bizzare I can't fanthom it. You have to really have some major partisan rose colored glasses as thick as the lenses on the Hubble telescope. Then they criticize Obama for using a teleprompter when apparently she hasn't even figured it out yet.

Why such hatred for Sarah Palin? You elected an empty suit so please don't talk to us about experience or compare Obama to anyone else. He was unqualified to be President but was elected anyway. McCain was a poor choice but the campaign was energized by Palin. She scares liberals and that is good enough for me.
 
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Why such hatred for Sarah Palin? You elected an empty suit so please don't talk to us about experience or compare Obama to anyone else. He was unqualified to be President but was elected anyway. McCain was a poor choice but the campaign was energized by Palin. She scares liberals and that is good enough for me.
That she scares liberals is good enough for you? i guess those with qualifications need not apply with you.
 
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That she scares liberals is good enough for you? i guess those with qualifications need not apply with you.

Yep, good enough for me especially with her background and experience as a given, experience that Obama never had yet apparently got your support.
 
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Yep, good enough for me especially with her background and experience as a given, experience that Obama never had yet apparently got your support.
hmmmm....and what exactly is her 'experience'? a half term governor? mayor of a one horse town?
 
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hmmmm....and what exactly is her 'experience'? a half term governor? mayor of a one horse town?

3 years as Governor of Alaska trumps all the so called experience of Barack Obama. She created a budget, had hiring firing responsibilites, and ran a state economy. Her approval ratings were among the highest in the nation. The results we have today show that Obama is in over his head and are why his approval ratings have dipped below 40% and still falling. Results matter, not liberal rhetoric.
 
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3 years as Governor of Alaska trumps all the so called experience of Barack Obama. She created a budget, had hiring firing responsibilites, and ran a state economy. Her approval ratings were among the highest in the nation. The results we have today show that Obama is in over his head and are why his approval ratings have dipped below 40% and still falling. Results matter, not liberal rhetoric.
seem to remember her having some 'ethics' issues, as well as some 'personel' issues.... when the going got tough , she said 'screw this, i'm outta here'.
 
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seem to remember her having some 'ethics' issues, as well as some 'personel' issues.... when the going got tough , she said 'screw this, i'm outta here'.

Rather than cost the citizens of Alaska millions in legal defense? Check on the disposition of those so called legal issues. If not mistaken she won them all and the others went away after she left office saving the citizens of Alaska millions. Interesting that you hold Republicans to a higher standard than Democrats, how typical.
 
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Rather than cost the citizens of Alaska millions in legal defense? Check on the disposition of those so called legal issues. If not mistaken she won them all and the others went away after she left office saving the citizens of Alaska millions. Interesting that you hold Republicans to a higher standard than Democrats, how typical.
she didnt care one way or the other about saving the citizens of alaska money, she was interested in saving her own ass, and setting herself up to run for potus...she got out before anything else that could damage her came out.....lets be honest, that is why she left......
 
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