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Why WTF Has Obama Done So Far Isn't Helping Obama

Paschendale said:
You mean the exact same things that every administration has done since Reagan? The absolute worst things one could accuse Obama of (and be right about it) is more of the same, and making unreasonable promises. Promises, btw, that are still good ideas. But they're good for poor people, so our rich elected officials don't let them happen.

Bailing out specific corporations has been business as usual for most of the last century. Unsustainable spending and debt has been the name of the game since Nixon was president. And large bills that only the lobbyists read and then jam full of pork? That's nothing new either.

All of those things very much need to stop, which is why we need an actual radical liberal in power. The stuff Obama has done is about as deep into government and corporate politics as possible. An actual rogue who will give the finger to the wealthy parasites in this country... That'd be great. But if you think for a second that the pro-wealth, anti-equality, warmonger crowd will do that, then you are badly mistaken.
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Nothing more comical when liberals and socialists use the word 'parasite' in describing others. I wonder if you ever really stop to imagine what the country would look like without businesses and corporations and if you have ANY actual working models to compare them to. Fiscal penis envy is comical...its worse than ACTUAL penis envy...which looks to ALSO be a problem.

Oh yes...a 'real' radical liberal...THAT wouldnt totally **** over the country, destroy economic output, spur even GREATER unemployment...NOPE...it would fix EVERYTHING...wealth redistribution is a GREAT idea...

Expecting fiscal responsibility of government? GREAT idea. Destroying industry and job production in the name of social justice? Lunacy. Economic suicide. One wonders if you have ever run a business...created employment...ummm...had a JOB...
 
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Conservative said:
Please name for me one prediction or legislation that has been accurate or made things better based upon the actual cost? Many here want to continue to blame Bush but it was the Obama policies that were rejected on Nov. 2 in historic proportions. Obama wanted the job,campaigned for the job almost from day one when he was elected to the Senate and since getting the job has done exactly what he said he would do but has generated the results that many of us said he would generate.
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Economic numbers were beginning to slow in 2006-2007. I want you to show me where I am blaming Bush for all this. Obama wasn't up for vote on November 2nd and the American people are like gold fish. They ****ing forgot why they put democrats in there in the first place. Maybe the truth is, and I think this is closer to what you could ever say is they are all just a bunch of assholes and we're hoping this batch of Republicans somehow aren't a bunch of assholes like the last batch of democrats? The truth is, is we have had sweeping changes in healthcare passed wheather you think it is all good or bad you can't argue against things like 26 and being on parents insurance, can't be denied due to pre existing conditions, or financial reforms such as no credit rate hikes. Perhaps you could I'm sure you would figure something out. Was bailing out GM a good idea? I don't think so. Did the banks need to be bailed out though? While I wouldn't have personally minded us going through an actual depression where the strongest survive, how much do you think you would be bitching had that not happened? Would you even be able to afford the internet to be on here bitching about it? Hmm I dunno.

The real truth is, accomplishments Obama has made, he is slow to outline them and pound them in Americans heads, for every good thing he says he will say somethign like "I'll be honest things still suck real bad and were trying". Had this been Bush, or Clinton in the same situation they would have said "Dude **** is INSANE GOOD right now!" not be honest about the actual situation at all. Because of this, he has given pundits a big lump of clay to shape into whatever **** storm they would like. It's called marketing my friend. Study it for a few years first then come back to me and tell me this has more to do with actual policies than it does good politics.

We had a recession that ended officially in June 2009 and yet today the key numbers, unemployment and debt are worse than any other President in U.S. history 17 months after the end of a recession. Supporters are saying give him more time as it takes more than two years to clean up the 8 years of Bush when the reality is the mess was created the last year of Bush with the help of the Democrat Congress including Obama. Economic numbers were strong between 2001-2007, a fact that liberals ignore.
 
JohnWOlin said:
Economic numbers were beginning to slow in 2006-2007. I want you to show me where I am blaming Bush for all this. Obama wasn't up for vote on November 2nd and the American people are like gold fish. They ****ing forgot why they put democrats in there in the first place. Maybe the truth is, and I think this is closer to what you could ever say is they are all just a bunch of assholes and we're hoping this batch of Republicans somehow aren't a bunch of assholes like the last batch of democrats? The truth is, is we have had sweeping changes in healthcare passed wheather you think it is all good or bad you can't argue against things like 26 and being on parents insurance, can't be denied due to pre existing conditions, or financial reforms such as no credit rate hikes. Perhaps you could I'm sure you would figure something out. Was bailing out GM a good idea? I don't think so. Did the banks need to be bailed out though? While I wouldn't have personally minded us going through an actual depression where the strongest survive, how much do you think you would be bitching had that not happened? Would you even be able to afford the internet to be on here bitching about it? Hmm I dunno.

The real truth is, accomplishments Obama has made, he is slow to outline them and pound them in Americans heads, for every good thing he says he will say somethign like "I'll be honest things still suck real bad and were trying". Had this been Bush, or Clinton in the same situation they would have said "Dude **** is INSANE GOOD right now!" not be honest about the actual situation at all. Because of this, he has given pundits a big lump of clay to shape into whatever **** storm they would like. It's called marketing my friend. Study it for a few years first then come back to me and tell me this has more to do with actual policies than it does good politics.

We had a recession that ended officially in June 2009 and yet today the key numbers, unemployment and debt are worse than any other President in U.S. history 17 months after the end of a recession. Supporters are saying give him more time as it takes more than two years to clean up the 8 years of Bush when the reality is the mess was created the last year of Bush with the help of the Democrat Congress including Obama. Economic numbers were strong between 2001-2007, a fact that liberals ignore.
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So the economy was starting to slow in 2006-2007? Where do you get your numbers? Here are where I get mine

U.S. Department of Commerce. Bureau of Economic Analysis

And here are the numbers

2000 9951.50
2001 10286.20
2002 10642.30
2003 11142.10
2004 11867.80
2005 12638.40
2006 13398.90
2007 14077.60
2008 14441.40
2009 14256.30


The problem we have here is to many believe what they are told and never verify the rhetoric. Obama has claimed he inherited a mess yet he campaigned for the job and said he would fix it. He hasn't fixed it and the numbers are worse in terms of unemployment and debt with meager economic growth.
 
R. Shackleferd said:
He made a lot of promises to voters that he cannot deliver or convince to the voting public that he infact did deliver.
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He's well on his way to keeping his biggest promise to fundamentally transform America.
 
Conservative said:
2000 9951.50
2001 10286.20
2002 10642.30
2003 11142.10
2004 11867.80
2005 12638.40
2006 13398.90
2007 14077.60
2008 14441.40
2009 14256.30
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Are these the number of Girl Scout cookies sold in those years?
 
pbrauer said:
Are these the number of Girl Scout cookies sold in those years?
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That is the GDP growth by year from BEA.gov and refutes the claim that the economy was in a downturn in 2006-2007. GDP grew almost 680 billion in 2007. I am sure you understand that but will ignore it as usual.
 
pbrauer said:
Are these the number of Girl Scout cookies sold in those years?
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How about addressing the thread topic, WTF has Obama done that has helped Obama and better yet what has he done that has helped the economy? You voted for an empty suit because of his flowering feel good rhetoric. Are you ready to admit that you made a mistake?
 
He race-baits a tad too much.
 
cpwill said:
this criticism is insane. the one thing obama does well is sell sunshine and moonbeams.


the reason what he's done isn't helping him is that it's exactly 'what he's done' that is hurting him.

whether it's Obamacare, the Stimulus, the Auto nationalization, the huge debt..... people do not like his policies.
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Since Obama came on the scene, the right has been finding things, real or imagined to criticize the guy about in order for form a narrative, but the truth never mattered. Your comment is a nice summary of that self created perception. :shrug:
 
Mm, yep. The Right only "finds/makes up" issues. Yep.

It's not that he's done little things like dividing the nation piece by piece.
 
megaprogman said:
Since Obama came on the scene, the right has been finding things, real or imagined to criticize the guy about in order for form a narrative, but the truth never mattered. Your comment is a nice summary of that self created perception. :shrug:
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Then why don't you set the record straight and tell us WTF Obama has done so far that we all should be proud of and has made the economy better?
 
Wake said:
Mm, yep. The Right only "finds/makes up" issues. Yep.

It's not that he's done little things like dividing the nation piece by piece.
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Please show me how he is "dividing the nation piece by piece"

This is an interesting comment as I have not seen anyone make this claim yet.

However, if you reread my comment, you will read that I wrote true or imagined. Some criticisms are valid, some are purely made up (saul alinsky is an example as the whole thing reeks of conspiracy theory.)
 
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Wake said:
Mm, yep. The Right only "finds/makes up" issues. Yep.

It's not that he's done little things like dividing the nation piece by piece.
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Did he go with 50 pieces or 57?
 
megaprogman said:
Please show me how he is "dividing the nation piece by piece"

This is an interesting comment as I have not seen anyone make this claim yet.

However, if you reread my comment, you will read that I wrote true or imagined. Some criticisms are valid, some are purely made up (saul alinsky is an example as the whole thing reeks of conspiracy theory.)
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You'd have to elaborate on what you think is "imagined." There's quite a few liberals I've debated in the past who consider any issue revealed by the Right as a "non-issue." If my assumption that you think like they do is incorrect, then on that issue I'll recant. I'd have to see what the magnitude of your scope of what you think is "imagined" is.
 
Wake said:
You'd have to elaborate on what you think is "imagined." There's quite a few liberals I've debated in the past who consider any issue revealed by the Right as a "non-issue." If my assumption that you think like they do is incorrect, then on that issue I'll recant. I'd have to see what the magnitude of your scope of what you think is "imagined" is.
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Off the top of my head.

The birther issue
death panels (there was a grain of truth, but the claims were wildly overblown)
Saul Alinsky
The evil liberal billionares
calling him a socialist/communist/fascist
the claims that the healthcare bill would bankrupt us
the pinning the economy on him (when it clearly failed before he was even elected)
blaming him for the stimulus not being effective (when it clearly was)
The idea that the stimulus cost less than the iraq war (which requires some very fuzzy math)
The claim that Obama's mere presence introduces uncertainty and this being the primary reason the economy has not recovered.

probably some other stuff that I will think of later.

Basically, the conservatives have been on operation smear job since day 1 and truth was the casualty. They do not care about the good of the nation, only winning the next election. *

* there are always reasonable people on all points of the spectrum.

Now obviously the administration has made some missteps, such as the nature of the stimulus, being too close to wall street when america was clearly going populist (this is where he lost the public), failing to articulate a vision (letting the republicans assign him one), not being aggressive enough for main street, and leaving too much up to congress. Also, the health care bill had some seriously bad timing and should have been tackled during a boom.
 
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megaprogman said:
Off the top of my head.

The birther issue
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How about Van Jones claiming that 9/11 was an inside job, a claim supported by the far left or the 911 Truthers. There are crazy people on both sides yet you focus on the birthers.


death panels (there was a grain of truth, but the claims were wildly overblown)
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A grain of truth? When you add 30-40 million to the current healthcare system there are going to be long waits and already proposals for rationing which makes the death panels more truth than fiction.

Saul Alinsky
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Rules for Radicals? What is it that Obama is doing that is contrary to those rules. Obama has taken this country far left and has been rebuked so what is he doing, "stepping on the gas" which is right out of the "rules for radicals"

The evil liberal billionares
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Explain what this means. Evil liberal billionaires? What does this have to do with Obama other than many billionaires supporting obama, they have theirs thus no need for others to participate.

calling him a socialist/communist/fascist
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The proof is in the economic policies being implemented. Transfers of tax payments to those who pay taxes to those who don't, picking and choosing winners and losers, penalizing certain groups i.e. letting tax cuts expire on the rich. what exactly has Obama done to promote free enterprise and capitalism. Everything he has done comes with strings attached.

the claims that the healthcare bill would bankrupt us
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How do you know it won't? The first pass on a cost was a savings, the second pass was adding billions to the debt, and the third pass will show increasing costs that will be a job killer thus will indeed bankrupt the govt. due to the unemployment benefits that have to be paid to these people.


the pinning the economy on him (when it clearly failed before he was even elected)
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He was in the Congress that created the legislation that caused this mess and has done nothing to make things better as evidenced by the results.

blaming him for the stimulus not being effective (when it clearly was)
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If it was successful then cite those successes? 4 million more unemployed than when the stimulus was passed and 3 trillion added to the debt. That is your definition of success?

The idea that the stimulus cost less than the iraq war (which requires some very fuzzy math)
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According to that CBO that you and others love to quote that is an absolute fact, one that you don't seem to want to confirm. The Iraq war has gone on for over 7 years and has cost about 100 billion a year, the stimulus was over 842 billion so you do the math.

probably some other stuff that I will think of later.

Basically, the conservatives have been on operation smear job since day 1 and truth was the casualty. They do not care about the good of the nation, only winning the next election. *
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Better go back to the drawing board because all you have provided is personal opinions that are hardly factual. What exactly has obama done that you believe has helped this country and back that up with facts.
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Conservative said:
Sure pays to support Obama, doesn't it?

Woman Who Confronted Obama on Economy Has Lost Her Job
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This puts my point on display. Thanks conservative. The automatic assumption is that problem is somehow Obama's fault when there is no evidence to support that view. More smear, but I don't think the smear is intentional, its just the result of people finding ways to satisfy their preconceived notions usually. I guess we could call it Obama Derangement Syndrome.

Oh and per your previous points, all that stuff has already been well covered, why waste my time trying to convince you when you have seen the arguments before and have already found reasons to dismiss them. :shrug: I consider my time to be more valuable than that.
 
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megaprogman said:
This puts my point on display. Thanks conservative. The automatic assumption is that problem is somehow Obama's fault when there is no evidence to support that view. More smear, but I don't think the smear is intentional, its just the result of people finding ways to satisfy their preconceived notions usually. I guess we could call it Obama Derangement Syndrome.

Oh and per your previous points, all that stuff has already been well covered, why waste my time trying to convince you when you have seen the arguments before and have already found reasons to dismiss them. :shrug: I consider my time to be more valuable than that.
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Obama spent more time campaigning for this job than he did doing the job he was paid to do but that doesn't matter to you, does it? Some people remain in the Obama trance and the fact that you cannot provide any success of the last two years says it all. You see, facts don't matter to people like you and that is why we continue to have problems in this country. The Obama supporters continue to ignore data and actual results while continuing to promote their Bush Derangement Syndrome. I don't blame you from ignoring my post as your defense of Obama is really indefensible.
 
FluffyNinja said:
Kind of reminds me of the photo-op of Papa Joe Stalin with the little Japanese girl. Years later, the little girl's dad was executed as a "spy" and the little girl was shipped off to a gulag. :shrug:
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Guess this too is Bush's fault.
 
JohnWOlin said:
Why 'WTF Has Obama Done So Far.com' Isn't Helping Obama | Cracked.com

http://whatthe****hasobamadonesofar.com/

I think this pretty much sums up Obama's biggest flaw is, he is not a very good politician (ie can't make a rainy day seem like sunshine and rainbows).
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He just followed his own Liberal agendas that this nation was not ready for and he found out that most Americans are Conservatives.
Apologizing for America to the rest of the world didn't help him either, it just made us look weak.
He was never a politician, 6 months serving as a Jr. Senator and campaigning for 2 years didn't make him a politician. He was never in charge of anything before running for president.
 
Conservative said:
Obama spent more time campaigning for this job than he did doing the job he was paid to do but that doesn't matter to you, does it?
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I don't think it could credibly be charactarized as campaigning if it was addressing the business of the administration.

Conservative said:
Some people remain in the Obama trance and the fact that you cannot provide any success of the last two years says it all. You see, facts don't matter to people like you and that is why we continue to have problems in this country. The Obama supporters continue to ignore data and actual results while continuing to promote their Bush Derangement Syndrome. I don't blame you from ignoring my post as your defense of Obama is really indefensible.
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I would have gotten some variation on your canned post no matter who response I gave :shrug:
 
megaprogman said:
I don't think it could credibly be charactarized as campaigning if it was addressing the business of the administration.



I would have gotten some variation on your canned post no matter who response I gave :shrug:
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As long as you are going to continue to buy the rhetoric and ignore the actual results we are going nowhere. That seems to be the problem with liberals today, they buy the flowering rhetoric of obama and ignore his actual results. You see, results trump rhetoric and Obama was shellacked on Nov. 2, something you and others still don't want to understand.
 
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