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    Re: Why WTF Has Obama Done So Far Isn't Helping Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    You'd have to elaborate on what you think is "imagined." There's quite a few liberals I've debated in the past who consider any issue revealed by the Right as a "non-issue." If my assumption that you think like they do is incorrect, then on that issue I'll recant. I'd have to see what the magnitude of your scope of what you think is "imagined" is.
    Off the top of my head.

    The birther issue
    death panels (there was a grain of truth, but the claims were wildly overblown)
    Saul Alinsky
    The evil liberal billionares
    calling him a socialist/communist/fascist
    the claims that the healthcare bill would bankrupt us
    the pinning the economy on him (when it clearly failed before he was even elected)
    blaming him for the stimulus not being effective (when it clearly was)
    The idea that the stimulus cost less than the iraq war (which requires some very fuzzy math)
    The claim that Obama's mere presence introduces uncertainty and this being the primary reason the economy has not recovered.

    probably some other stuff that I will think of later.

    Basically, the conservatives have been on operation smear job since day 1 and truth was the casualty. They do not care about the good of the nation, only winning the next election. *

    * there are always reasonable people on all points of the spectrum.

    Now obviously the administration has made some missteps, such as the nature of the stimulus, being too close to wall street when america was clearly going populist (this is where he lost the public), failing to articulate a vision (letting the republicans assign him one), not being aggressive enough for main street, and leaving too much up to congress. Also, the health care bill had some seriously bad timing and should have been tackled during a boom.
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    Re: Why WTF Has Obama Done So Far Isn't Helping Obama

    [QUOTE=megaprogman;1059118212]Off the top of my head.

    The birther issue
    How about Van Jones claiming that 9/11 was an inside job, a claim supported by the far left or the 911 Truthers. There are crazy people on both sides yet you focus on the birthers.


    death panels (there was a grain of truth, but the claims were wildly overblown)
    A grain of truth? When you add 30-40 million to the current healthcare system there are going to be long waits and already proposals for rationing which makes the death panels more truth than fiction.

    Saul Alinsky
    Rules for Radicals? What is it that Obama is doing that is contrary to those rules. Obama has taken this country far left and has been rebuked so what is he doing, "stepping on the gas" which is right out of the "rules for radicals"

    The evil liberal billionares
    Explain what this means. Evil liberal billionaires? What does this have to do with Obama other than many billionaires supporting obama, they have theirs thus no need for others to participate.

    calling him a socialist/communist/fascist
    The proof is in the economic policies being implemented. Transfers of tax payments to those who pay taxes to those who don't, picking and choosing winners and losers, penalizing certain groups i.e. letting tax cuts expire on the rich. what exactly has Obama done to promote free enterprise and capitalism. Everything he has done comes with strings attached.

    the claims that the healthcare bill would bankrupt us
    How do you know it won't? The first pass on a cost was a savings, the second pass was adding billions to the debt, and the third pass will show increasing costs that will be a job killer thus will indeed bankrupt the govt. due to the unemployment benefits that have to be paid to these people.


    the pinning the economy on him (when it clearly failed before he was even elected)
    He was in the Congress that created the legislation that caused this mess and has done nothing to make things better as evidenced by the results.

    blaming him for the stimulus not being effective (when it clearly was)
    If it was successful then cite those successes? 4 million more unemployed than when the stimulus was passed and 3 trillion added to the debt. That is your definition of success?

    The idea that the stimulus cost less than the iraq war (which requires some very fuzzy math)
    According to that CBO that you and others love to quote that is an absolute fact, one that you don't seem to want to confirm. The Iraq war has gone on for over 7 years and has cost about 100 billion a year, the stimulus was over 842 billion so you do the math.

    probably some other stuff that I will think of later.

    Basically, the conservatives have been on operation smear job since day 1 and truth was the casualty. They do not care about the good of the nation, only winning the next election. *
    Better go back to the drawing board because all you have provided is personal opinions that are hardly factual. What exactly has obama done that you believe has helped this country and back that up with facts.

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    Re: Why WTF Has Obama Done So Far Isn't Helping Obama

    Sure pays to support Obama, doesn't it?

    Woman Who Confronted Obama on Economy Has Lost Her Job

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    Re: Why WTF Has Obama Done So Far Isn't Helping Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Sure pays to support Obama, doesn't it?

    Woman Who Confronted Obama on Economy Has Lost Her Job
    This puts my point on display. Thanks conservative. The automatic assumption is that problem is somehow Obama's fault when there is no evidence to support that view. More smear, but I don't think the smear is intentional, its just the result of people finding ways to satisfy their preconceived notions usually. I guess we could call it Obama Derangement Syndrome.

    Oh and per your previous points, all that stuff has already been well covered, why waste my time trying to convince you when you have seen the arguments before and have already found reasons to dismiss them. I consider my time to be more valuable than that.
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    Re: Why WTF Has Obama Done So Far Isn't Helping Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Sure pays to support Obama, doesn't it?

    Woman Who Confronted Obama on Economy Has Lost Her Job
    Kind of reminds me of the photo-op of Papa Joe Stalin with the little Japanese girl. Years later, the little girl's dad was executed as a "spy" and the little girl was shipped off to a gulag.
    "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." - Dr. Carl Sagan

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    Re: Why WTF Has Obama Done So Far Isn't Helping Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    This puts my point on display. Thanks conservative. The automatic assumption is that problem is somehow Obama's fault when there is no evidence to support that view. More smear, but I don't think the smear is intentional, its just the result of people finding ways to satisfy their preconceived notions usually. I guess we could call it Obama Derangement Syndrome.

    Oh and per your previous points, all that stuff has already been well covered, why waste my time trying to convince you when you have seen the arguments before and have already found reasons to dismiss them. I consider my time to be more valuable than that.
    Obama spent more time campaigning for this job than he did doing the job he was paid to do but that doesn't matter to you, does it? Some people remain in the Obama trance and the fact that you cannot provide any success of the last two years says it all. You see, facts don't matter to people like you and that is why we continue to have problems in this country. The Obama supporters continue to ignore data and actual results while continuing to promote their Bush Derangement Syndrome. I don't blame you from ignoring my post as your defense of Obama is really indefensible.

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    Re: Why WTF Has Obama Done So Far Isn't Helping Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    Kind of reminds me of the photo-op of Papa Joe Stalin with the little Japanese girl. Years later, the little girl's dad was executed as a "spy" and the little girl was shipped off to a gulag.
    Guess this too is Bush's fault.

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    Re: Why WTF Has Obama Done So Far Isn't Helping Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Why 'WTF Has Obama Done So Far.com' Isn't Helping Obama | Cracked.com

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    I think this pretty much sums up Obama's biggest flaw is, he is not a very good politician (ie can't make a rainy day seem like sunshine and rainbows).
    He just followed his own Liberal agendas that this nation was not ready for and he found out that most Americans are Conservatives.
    Apologizing for America to the rest of the world didn't help him either, it just made us look weak.
    He was never a politician, 6 months serving as a Jr. Senator and campaigning for 2 years didn't make him a politician. He was never in charge of anything before running for president.
    Catch me if you can.

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    Re: Why WTF Has Obama Done So Far Isn't Helping Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Obama spent more time campaigning for this job than he did doing the job he was paid to do but that doesn't matter to you, does it?
    I don't think it could credibly be charactarized as campaigning if it was addressing the business of the administration.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Some people remain in the Obama trance and the fact that you cannot provide any success of the last two years says it all. You see, facts don't matter to people like you and that is why we continue to have problems in this country. The Obama supporters continue to ignore data and actual results while continuing to promote their Bush Derangement Syndrome. I don't blame you from ignoring my post as your defense of Obama is really indefensible.
    I would have gotten some variation on your canned post no matter who response I gave

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    Re: Why WTF Has Obama Done So Far Isn't Helping Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I don't think it could credibly be charactarized as campaigning if it was addressing the business of the administration.



    I would have gotten some variation on your canned post no matter who response I gave
    As long as you are going to continue to buy the rhetoric and ignore the actual results we are going nowhere. That seems to be the problem with liberals today, they buy the flowering rhetoric of obama and ignore his actual results. You see, results trump rhetoric and Obama was shellacked on Nov. 2, something you and others still don't want to understand.

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