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    Re: Why WTF Has Obama Done So Far Isn't Helping Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Part of his problem is that he promised the moon and the stars while he was running. However, it's not entirely his fault that he didn't deliver. He promised a bi-partisan coalition that never happened. He's not entirely to blame for that. Republicans did gather together and vow to stop every single thing he wanted to do, just to make him unpopular. Frankly, Obama has done just fine. He's been level-headed, he hasn't done anything particularly extreme, on either side. He isn't an amazing leader, but he's not bad, either.
    1. He didn't need a repubican vote to pass his mess.

    2. His idea of bipartisanship was to tell Republicans who they could and could not listen to during their first meeting together.

    3. Hasn't done anything extreme? AIG, GM, spending trillions, ObamaKare... a bill passed without even being read.

    Sorry, the guy's a major league idealogue and represents the Alinsky/Ayers/Reverand Wright wing of the Democrat Party.

    It's why he got his ass kicked a few weeks ago. He is the King of bait-and-switch. Doesn't hurt to have a few thousand journOlists waving their pom-poms for you.

    Take "Bush" out of the following, and it's as current as ever. We could put Obi or his presser Fibbs in the huddle.



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    Re: Why WTF Has Obama Done So Far Isn't Helping Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    When it comes to campaigning yeah, he is a very good politician, but naw his supporters believe his ability to sell things is his biggest flaw. George W Bush had 2 of the best political architects with more experience between the two of them politically than the Obama and rest of the GWB administrations combined; Dick Cheney and Karl Rove.
    Please name for me one prediction or legislation that has been accurate or made things better based upon the actual cost? Many here want to continue to blame Bush but it was the Obama policies that were rejected on Nov. 2 in historic proportions. Obama wanted the job,campaigned for the job almost from day one when he was elected to the Senate and since getting the job has done exactly what he said he would do but has generated the results that many of us said he would generate.

    We had a recession that ended officially in June 2009 and yet today the key numbers, unemployment and debt are worse than any other President in U.S. history 17 months after the end of a recession. Supporters are saying give him more time as it takes more than two years to clean up the 8 years of Bush when the reality is the mess was created the last year of Bush with the help of the Democrat Congress including Obama. Economic numbers were strong between 2001-2007, a fact that liberals ignore.

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    Re: Why WTF Has Obama Done So Far Isn't Helping Obama

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    ...Supporters are saying give him more time as it takes more than two years to clean up the 8 years of Bush when the reality is the mess was created the last year of Bush with the help of the Democrat Congress including Obama. Economic numbers were strong between 2001-2007, a fact that liberals ignore.
    Yeah, the standard Lib ploy... we need more time and more of YOUR money; instead of cutting our loses, closing failing programs and harmful depts. Obama is a failed program, and need be cut.

    Obi's like a quarteback that looks good, talks as if he knows the game, but when it's time to line up we learn he doesn't know how to read the most simple defense, throws like a sissy and can't take a hit. In the real world he'd have been cut long ago, and be selling trinkets or some other BS on HMS... but no... it's everyone's fault but his own.
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    Re: Why WTF Has Obama Done So Far Isn't Helping Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Did people really Expect him to be able to do all things he said he would do during his first term? Give me a break please
    He made a lot of promises to voters that he cannot deliver or convince to the voting public that he infact did deliver.

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    Re: Why WTF Has Obama Done So Far Isn't Helping Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    AIG, GM, spending trillions, ObamaKare... a bill passed without even being read.
    You mean the exact same things that every administration has done since Reagan? The absolute worst things one could accuse Obama of (and be right about it) is more of the same, and making unreasonable promises. Promises, btw, that are still good ideas. But they're good for poor people, so our rich elected officials don't let them happen.

    Bailing out specific corporations has been business as usual for most of the last century. Unsustainable spending and debt has been the name of the game since Nixon was president. And large bills that only the lobbyists read and then jam full of pork? That's nothing new either.

    All of those things very much need to stop, which is why we need an actual radical liberal in power. The stuff Obama has done is about as deep into government and corporate politics as possible. An actual rogue who will give the finger to the wealthy parasites in this country... That'd be great. But if you think for a second that the pro-wealth, anti-equality, warmonger crowd will do that, then you are badly mistaken.
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    Re: Why WTF Has Obama Done So Far Isn't Helping Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    You mean the exact same things that every administration has done since Reagan? The absolute worst things one could accuse Obama of (and be right about it) is more of the same, and making unreasonable promises. Promises, btw, that are still good ideas. But they're good for poor people, so our rich elected officials don't let them happen.

    Bailing out specific corporations has been business as usual for most of the last century. Unsustainable spending and debt has been the name of the game since Nixon was president. And large bills that only the lobbyists read and then jam full of pork? That's nothing new either.

    All of those things very much need to stop, which is why we need an actual radical liberal in power. The stuff Obama has done is about as deep into government and corporate politics as possible. An actual rogue who will give the finger to the wealthy parasites in this country... That'd be great. But if you think for a second that the pro-wealth, anti-equality, warmonger crowd will do that, then you are badly mistaken.
    Nothing more comical when liberals and socialists use the word 'parasite' in describing others. I wonder if you ever really stop to imagine what the country would look like without businesses and corporations and if you have ANY actual working models to compare them to. Fiscal penis envy is comical...its worse than ACTUAL penis envy...which looks to ALSO be a problem.

    Oh yes...a 'real' radical liberal...THAT wouldnt totally **** over the country, destroy economic output, spur even GREATER unemployment...NOPE...it would fix EVERYTHING...wealth redistribution is a GREAT idea...

    Expecting fiscal responsibility of government? GREAT idea. Destroying industry and job production in the name of social justice? Lunacy. Economic suicide. One wonders if you have ever run a business...created employment...ummm...had a JOB...
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    Re: Why WTF Has Obama Done So Far Isn't Helping Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Please name for me one prediction or legislation that has been accurate or made things better based upon the actual cost? Many here want to continue to blame Bush but it was the Obama policies that were rejected on Nov. 2 in historic proportions. Obama wanted the job,campaigned for the job almost from day one when he was elected to the Senate and since getting the job has done exactly what he said he would do but has generated the results that many of us said he would generate.

    Economic numbers were beginning to slow in 2006-2007. I want you to show me where I am blaming Bush for all this. Obama wasn't up for vote on November 2nd and the American people are like gold fish. They ****ing forgot why they put democrats in there in the first place. Maybe the truth is, and I think this is closer to what you could ever say is they are all just a bunch of assholes and we're hoping this batch of Republicans somehow aren't a bunch of assholes like the last batch of democrats? The truth is, is we have had sweeping changes in healthcare passed wheather you think it is all good or bad you can't argue against things like 26 and being on parents insurance, can't be denied due to pre existing conditions, or financial reforms such as no credit rate hikes. Perhaps you could I'm sure you would figure something out. Was bailing out GM a good idea? I don't think so. Did the banks need to be bailed out though? While I wouldn't have personally minded us going through an actual depression where the strongest survive, how much do you think you would be bitching had that not happened? Would you even be able to afford the internet to be on here bitching about it? Hmm I dunno.

    The real truth is, accomplishments Obama has made, he is slow to outline them and pound them in Americans heads, for every good thing he says he will say somethign like "I'll be honest things still suck real bad and were trying". Had this been Bush, or Clinton in the same situation they would have said "Dude **** is INSANE GOOD right now!" not be honest about the actual situation at all. Because of this, he has given pundits a big lump of clay to shape into whatever **** storm they would like. It's called marketing my friend. Study it for a few years first then come back to me and tell me this has more to do with actual policies than it does good politics.

    We had a recession that ended officially in June 2009 and yet today the key numbers, unemployment and debt are worse than any other President in U.S. history 17 months after the end of a recession. Supporters are saying give him more time as it takes more than two years to clean up the 8 years of Bush when the reality is the mess was created the last year of Bush with the help of the Democrat Congress including Obama. Economic numbers were strong between 2001-2007, a fact that liberals ignore.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Why WTF Has Obama Done So Far Isn't Helping Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Economic numbers were beginning to slow in 2006-2007. I want you to show me where I am blaming Bush for all this. Obama wasn't up for vote on November 2nd and the American people are like gold fish. They ****ing forgot why they put democrats in there in the first place. Maybe the truth is, and I think this is closer to what you could ever say is they are all just a bunch of assholes and we're hoping this batch of Republicans somehow aren't a bunch of assholes like the last batch of democrats? The truth is, is we have had sweeping changes in healthcare passed wheather you think it is all good or bad you can't argue against things like 26 and being on parents insurance, can't be denied due to pre existing conditions, or financial reforms such as no credit rate hikes. Perhaps you could I'm sure you would figure something out. Was bailing out GM a good idea? I don't think so. Did the banks need to be bailed out though? While I wouldn't have personally minded us going through an actual depression where the strongest survive, how much do you think you would be bitching had that not happened? Would you even be able to afford the internet to be on here bitching about it? Hmm I dunno.

    The real truth is, accomplishments Obama has made, he is slow to outline them and pound them in Americans heads, for every good thing he says he will say somethign like "I'll be honest things still suck real bad and were trying". Had this been Bush, or Clinton in the same situation they would have said "Dude **** is INSANE GOOD right now!" not be honest about the actual situation at all. Because of this, he has given pundits a big lump of clay to shape into whatever **** storm they would like. It's called marketing my friend. Study it for a few years first then come back to me and tell me this has more to do with actual policies than it does good politics.

    We had a recession that ended officially in June 2009 and yet today the key numbers, unemployment and debt are worse than any other President in U.S. history 17 months after the end of a recession. Supporters are saying give him more time as it takes more than two years to clean up the 8 years of Bush when the reality is the mess was created the last year of Bush with the help of the Democrat Congress including Obama. Economic numbers were strong between 2001-2007, a fact that liberals ignore.
    So the economy was starting to slow in 2006-2007? Where do you get your numbers? Here are where I get mine

    U.S. Department of Commerce. Bureau of Economic Analysis

    And here are the numbers

    2000 9951.50
    2001 10286.20
    2002 10642.30
    2003 11142.10
    2004 11867.80
    2005 12638.40
    2006 13398.90
    2007 14077.60
    2008 14441.40
    2009 14256.30


    The problem we have here is to many believe what they are told and never verify the rhetoric. Obama has claimed he inherited a mess yet he campaigned for the job and said he would fix it. He hasn't fixed it and the numbers are worse in terms of unemployment and debt with meager economic growth.

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    Re: Why WTF Has Obama Done So Far Isn't Helping Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by R. Shackleferd View Post
    He made a lot of promises to voters that he cannot deliver or convince to the voting public that he infact did deliver.
    He's well on his way to keeping his biggest promise to fundamentally transform America.
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    Re: Why WTF Has Obama Done So Far Isn't Helping Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    2000 9951.50
    2001 10286.20
    2002 10642.30
    2003 11142.10
    2004 11867.80
    2005 12638.40
    2006 13398.90
    2007 14077.60
    2008 14441.40
    2009 14256.30
    Are these the number of Girl Scout cookies sold in those years?


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