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    Re: Why WTF Has Obama Done So Far Isn't Helping Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Look at Bush Jr. despite being a worse President than his father, he was a FAR better politician. He was able to get nearly all lawmakers behind him. I would argue, politically, GWB is the best president politician wise we have ever had.
    then you've never heard of a man named Lyndon B Johnson.

    as a politician, Bush scores below average

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    Re: Why WTF Has Obama Done So Far Isn't Helping Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Look at Bush Jr. despite being a worse President than his father, he was a FAR better politician. He was able to get nearly all lawmakers behind him. I would argue, politically, GWB is the best president politician wise we have ever had.
    GWB had 9/11. That alone caused a huge amount of support for his policies no matter what they were
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    Re: Why WTF Has Obama Done So Far Isn't Helping Obama

    also he dragged the Republican part way left, domestically; as he was the President, it made it much harder for his own party to oppose.

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    Re: Why WTF Has Obama Done So Far Isn't Helping Obama

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    Did people really Expect him to be able to do all things he said he would do during his first term? Give me a break please
    Yes, there were many who did.
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    Re: Why WTF Has Obama Done So Far Isn't Helping Obama

    As well as many who called you "racist" if you suggested he couldn't.
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    Re: Why WTF Has Obama Done So Far Isn't Helping Obama

    When it comes to campaigning yeah, he is a very good politician, but naw his supporters believe his ability to sell things is his biggest flaw. George W Bush had 2 of the best political architects with more experience between the two of them politically than the Obama and rest of the GWB administrations combined; Dick Cheney and Karl Rove.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Why WTF Has Obama Done So Far Isn't Helping Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    this criticism is insane. the one thing obama does well is sell sunshine and moonbeams.


    the reason what he's done isn't helping him is that it's exactly 'what he's done' that is hurting him.

    whether it's Obamacare, the Stimulus, the Auto nationalization, the huge debt..... people do not like his policies.
    Its easy to sell sunshines and moonbeams when the pitch is its all for free and there are so many crippled and dependent pets looking for others to provide for them.

    Still...I think where he lost his momentum is in the quality of the legislation. Health care? Sure...and the benefits MAY even kick in for the majority of recipients...in a few years...and dont worry about what the price tag will be. stimulus? SURE...we have (ahem) 'created' or SAVED a million jobs...jobs that were at risk because of lousy budget management. Sure...unemployment is as high as ever (and 'real' unemployment numbers arent even being discussed).

    On the plus side...there are still the core kneejerk partisans that will swallow anything and ask for more...but that number is dwindling.

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    Re: Why WTF Has Obama Done So Far Isn't Helping Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Yes, there were many who did.
    See: all those on these boards now claiming he's some kind of Republican-lite 'moderate'.

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    Re: Why WTF Has Obama Done So Far Isn't Helping Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    When it comes to campaigning yeah, he is a very good politician, but naw his supporters believe his ability to sell things is his biggest flaw. George W Bush had 2 of the best political architects with more experience between the two of them politically than the Obama and rest of the GWB administrations combined; Dick Cheney and Karl Rove.
    that, certainly, is true. any kind of experience at handling serious and difficult matters has not exactly been a demonstrated hallmark of the Obama Administration.

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    Re: Why WTF Has Obama Done So Far Isn't Helping Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    that, certainly, is true. any kind of experience at handling serious and difficult matters has not exactly been a demonstrated hallmark of the Obama Administration.
    Reread my post; Karl Rove and Dick Cheney are professional liars, hence this makes them excellent politicans. When GWB and Rove helped Bush Sr's campaign, there were things that were downright dishonest and disgusting to him that he didn't want to be a part of in his run against Mike Dukakis. Karl Rove was actually fired from his second run for well, being a devious sneaky asshole and leaking info about a CIA agent.

    But yes cpwill, what I am saying is the Obama adminstration isn't even half as good at lying and making a turd look like a diamond or a blossom..kind like ole "Turd Blossom".
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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