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    Re: 70% of military believe lifting gay ban would have positive influence

    If a black guy in a unit acts like a 'gansgsta' then he'd be disciplined.

    Army rules governing behaviour are typically there for discipline, morale and order. And as I say, if the issue is that important, then let the soldiers decide. Academic what I think after that.

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    Re: 70% of military believe lifting gay ban would have positive influence

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic_Of_Public View Post
    If a black guy in a unit acts like a 'gansgsta' then he'd be disciplined.

    Army rules governing behaviour are typically there for discipline, morale and order. And as I say, if the issue is that important, then let the soldiers decide. Academic what I think after that.
    So you're not going to address the other questions?

    I meant more in the field, even if he was a good soldier that watched your back. If his mannerisms made you feel uncomfortable, does that give you the right to eject him from the Squad?

    You're not answering the question.

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    Re: 70% of military believe lifting gay ban would have positive influence

    As the Don't Ask rule anticipates, if he's good in battle and doesn't bother his comrades with anything then things should rub along fine. And I have no doubt in many cases they do.

    It's the political and ethical side which this is about, or so I thought.

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    Re: 70% of military believe lifting gay ban would have positive influence

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic_Of_Public View Post
    No, that's yours.





    That's sad. No, that's taking the fire out of a debate that. Saps the spirit to say that. Those who disregard history are doomed to repeat it.





    They're legal and can do whatever they please, within reason. The only real fig leaf they have is that their activities are usually between consenting adults.
    Nice dodge. They have fewer rights than you do. Why do you want to keep it that way? Why are you deserving of special treatment?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: 70% of military believe lifting gay ban would have positive influence

    Nice dodge.
    I could say that back to you. You're referring to an exchange a little way back.


    Why are you deserving of special treatment?
    I'm not. I'm just an ordinary bloke. And if anything I don't want to be put on a pedestal.


    Example:

    ANTI-CAPITALISM STUDIES
    Raymond Williams, Gay History (Rectums of our Times, you could say),
    Anti-Globalization, and much more..
    www.studiesinanti-capitalism.net


    ...And that was listed as an AD on the Google search page on the way to this site!!
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    Re: 70% of military believe lifting gay ban would have positive influence

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic_Of_Public View Post
    I could say that back to you. You're referring to an exchange a little way back.




    I'm not. I'm just an ordinary bloke. And if anything I don't want to be put on a pedestal.


    Example:

    ANTI-CAPITALISM STUDIES
    Raymond Williams, Gay History (Rectums of our Times, you could say),
    Anti-Globalization, and much more..
    www.studiesinanti-capitalism.net


    ...And that was listed as an AD on the Google search page on the way to this site!!
    You still haven't answered the question as to why you think homosexuals should have fewer rights than you do. You conveniently cut that out of the quote. Are you going to keep dodging?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: 70% of military believe lifting gay ban would have positive influence

    ...why you think homosexuals should have fewer rights than you do.
    That's not the way I'd have framed it but the over-validation of sexual deviancy can be a slippery slope to take. How far would it go?

    Utah has it about right: Utah governor: No special rights for gay people | News Story on 365gay.com


    I don't know about America but remember that it was only decriminalised here in England at about the same time the Beatles put out Sgt. Pepper. Historically, it's a brand new acceptance and not universal across the world.
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    Re: 70% of military believe lifting gay ban would have positive influence

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic_Of_Public View Post
    That's not the way I'd have framed it but the over-validation of sexual deviancy can be a slippery slope to take. How far would it go?

    Utah has it about right: Utah governor: No special rights for gay people | News Story on 365gay.com



    I don't know about America but remember that it was only decriminalised here in England at about the same time the Beatles put out Sgt. Pepper. It's a brand new acceptance and not universal across the world.
    I wouldn't look to Utah as being the benchmark for a forward moving society.
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    Re: 70% of military believe lifting gay ban would have positive influence

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    More than 70 percent of respondents to a survey sent to active-duty and reserve troops over the summer said the effect of repealing the "don't ask, don't tell" policy would be positive, mixed or nonexistent
    positive, mixed, or nonexistant? not to accuse you of confirmation bias, but that's like saying that 85% of women are raped, beaten, traumatized, murdered, or flirted with by men. the question isn't the total number, it's what the breakdown is. even I say the results will be mixed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Yep, we can find studies that will produce any results we want. How about we just 1) stop discriminating, and 2) respect our military enough to believe they're not afraid of the gay cooties.
    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    It just goes to show that the homophobes who think that the military are as bigoted as they are.....are completely wrong.
    yeah. the only reason anyone could honestly look at the same facts and come to a differing conclusion than yourselves is because they are evil.

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    Re: 70% of military believe lifting gay ban would have positive influence

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic_Of_Public View Post
    If a black guy in a unit acts like a 'gansgsta' then he'd be disciplined.

    Army rules governing behaviour are typically there for discipline, morale and order. And as I say, if the issue is that important, then let the soldiers decide. Academic what I think after that.
    I have a better question for you, which is very much related to gays serving openly.

    There are still military personnel that are completely uncomfortable serving with guys who date interracially. I knew some Marines personally who felt this way. So, should it be okay for a unit to eject a person (whatever race) who dates outside of their race?

    Or maybe you think it should be okay for units to refuse to allow a guy in who isn't Christian, whether the person is Jewish, Muslim, Pagan, or atheist? How bout units that don't want to have Mormons in them?

    It comes down to the fact that most servicemembers are able to serve alongside gays with no problems, even if they know the gay guy/girl is gay. And those who don't think they can, need to either suck it up and follow orders that involve working alongside someone they are uncomfortable being around, like pretty much every other person in the military has to do at one point in their career or another, or get out.
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