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    Re: US Leading Economic Indicators Increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    This is a joke post right. A few mistakes? Are you kidding Obama raised the debt by almost half as much in less than two years as President Bush took 8 years to do. Obama's mistakes total $787 billion.

    He wasted almost all that money and created a total of ZERO net jobs.

    Obama hasn't done anything right yet.

    The only success has had is to keep on schedule to destroy the economy and the future of our economy with his phony "I don't care about your Health Kill Granny Tax scheme," and now he wants Cap and Trade to fix a problem that, DOES NOT EXIST.
    Really. Zero jobs? $787 billion just evaporated? Man, the mental gymnastics that must be required to come to THAT conclusion...
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: US Leading Economic Indicators Increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Really. Zero jobs? $787 billion just evaporated? Man, the mental gymnastics that must be required to come to THAT conclusion...
    What would you call it when someone takes office with 143 million people employed and that number is 139 million today. Would that be a net job gain or loss? What did we get for all that spending?

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    Re: US Leading Economic Indicators Increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What would you call it when someone takes office with 143 million people employed and that number is 139 million today. Would that be a net job gain or loss? What did we get for all that spending?
    I'd call that deliberately picking the wrong measuring stick.

    So, you're saying that $787 billion was spent and not one person has a job who otherwise would not have? How did that happen, exactly? Some magical gnomes completed all those construction projects?

    Guess I'll go tell my friend who runs a construction company he's been hallucinating those extra guys he's hired...
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: US Leading Economic Indicators Increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I'd call that deliberately picking the wrong measuring stick.

    So, you're saying that $787 billion was spent and not one person has a job who otherwise would not have? How did that happen, exactly? Some magical gnomes completed all those construction projects?

    Guess I'll go tell my friend who runs a construction company he's been hallucinating those extra guys he's hired...
    I don't say it, the numbers do, there has been a NET job loss and that is the point and all it cost was 800 billion dollars. 4 million less employed today so that is a NET job loss!!

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    Re: US Leading Economic Indicators Increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I don't say it, the numbers do, there has been a NET job loss and that is the point and all it cost was 800 billion dollars. 4 million less employed today so that is a NET job loss!!
    Yes, there was a net job loss and, before the stimulus we were losing hundreds of thousands per month and after the stimulus we've leveled off.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: US Leading Economic Indicators Increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes, there was a net job loss and, before the stimulus we were losing hundreds of thousands per month and after the stimulus we've leveled off.
    We lost hundreds of thousands of jobs for three months of 2008 with a Democrat controlled Congress. In spite of that loss Bush had a 6.5 million net job gain. Obama economic policy put another 4 million on the unemployment roles. The recession ended in June 2009 and every month of 2010 the job losses were greater on a month to month basis vs. 2009. The stimulus was signed in February 2009 so how do you explain higher unemployment in 2010 than 2009?

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    Re: US Leading Economic Indicators Increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes, there was a net job loss and, before the stimulus we were losing hundreds of thousands per month and after the stimulus we've leveled off.
    Oh, by the way here is the source.

    Employment, Hours, and Earnings from the Current Employment Statistics survey (National)

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    Re: US Leading Economic Indicators Increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    We lost hundreds of thousands of jobs for three months of 2008 with a Democrat controlled Congress. In spite of that loss Bush had a 6.5 million net job gain. Obama economic policy put another 4 million on the unemployment roles. The recession ended in June 2009 and every month of 2010 the job losses were greater on a month to month basis vs. 2009. The stimulus was signed in February 2009 so how do you explain higher unemployment in 2010 than 2009?


    Notice anything about the change in trend around February 2009?

    With the free fall we were in, did you really expect an instant change to positive trends? That an economy our size would just turn on a dime?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: US Leading Economic Indicators Increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post


    Notice anything about the change in trend around February 2009?

    With the free fall we were in, did you really expect an instant change to positive trends? That an economy our size would just turn on a dime?
    Yes, and I also know who was in charge of the legislation from January 2007 through the end of the Bush term. I gave you the link to the bls data which supports my claim. Notice your chart goes to November 2009. Why not post 2010 data? Why would unemployment rise in 2010? Never in our history has a President had such poor economic numbers a year after a recession ended. That goes to show why Obama took a shellacking in Nov. 2010. Now you can bury your head in the sand but the reality is in the numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

    Employment

    Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec

    2000 136559 136598 136701 137270 136630 136940 136531 136662 136893 137088 137322 137614
    2001 137778 137612 137783 137299 137092 136873 137071 136241 136846 136392 136238 136047
    2002 135701 136438 136177 136126 136539 136415 136413 136705 137302 137008 136521 136426
    2003 137417 137482 137434 137633 137544 137790 137474 137549 137609 137984 138424 138411
    2004 138472 138542 138453 138680 138852 139174 139556 139573 139487 139732 140231 140125
    2005 140245 140385 140654 141254 141609 141714 142026 142434 142401 142548 142499 142752
    2006 143142 143444 143765 143794 144108 144370 144229 144631 144797 145292 145477 145914
    2007 146032 146043 146368 145686 145952 146079 145926 145685 146193 145885 146483 146173
    2008 146421 146165 146173 146306 146023 145768 145515 145187 145021 144677 143907 143188
    2009 142221 141687 140854 140902 140438 140038 139817 139433 138768 138242 138381 137792
    2010 138333 138641 138905 139455 139420 139119 138960 139250 139391 139061

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    Re: US Leading Economic Indicators Increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yes, and I also know who was in charge of the legislation from January 2007 through the end of the Bush term. I gave you the link to the bls data which supports my claim. Notice your chart goes to November 2009. Why not post 2010 data? Why would unemployment rise in 2010? Never in our history has a President had such poor economic numbers a year after a recession ended. That goes to show why Obama took a shellacking in Nov. 2010. Now you can bury your head in the sand but the reality is in the numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

    Employment

    Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec

    2000 136559 136598 136701 137270 136630 136940 136531 136662 136893 137088 137322 137614
    2001 137778 137612 137783 137299 137092 136873 137071 136241 136846 136392 136238 136047
    2002 135701 136438 136177 136126 136539 136415 136413 136705 137302 137008 136521 136426
    2003 137417 137482 137434 137633 137544 137790 137474 137549 137609 137984 138424 138411
    2004 138472 138542 138453 138680 138852 139174 139556 139573 139487 139732 140231 140125
    2005 140245 140385 140654 141254 141609 141714 142026 142434 142401 142548 142499 142752
    2006 143142 143444 143765 143794 144108 144370 144229 144631 144797 145292 145477 145914
    2007 146032 146043 146368 145686 145952 146079 145926 145685 146193 145885 146483 146173
    2008 146421 146165 146173 146306 146023 145768 145515 145187 145021 144677 143907 143188
    2009 142221 141687 140854 140902 140438 140038 139817 139433 138768 138242 138381 137792
    2010 138333 138641 138905 139455 139420 139119 138960 139250 139391 139061
    So, the stimulus comes out, the trend almost immediately reverses and levels off, but you're saying it did nothing because a year later we're not gaining very many jobs?

    My chart stopped in 2009 because it's the first one that came up with a quick google search. You're reading conspiracy where there is none. My point isn't that the stimulus turned everything into magical unicorn land, my point is saying that the stimulus created zero jobs is just plain ignorant.
    Last edited by Deuce; 11-24-10 at 10:32 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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